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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
To be more clear, Peter's arc in Homecoming is that of a kid who idolizes a mentor, and seeks to become just like him while skipping over the steps he would need to get to that point. He learns responsibility by way of realizing that while he's aiming for the stars, he's overlooking the way his actions affect other people. It's a very unique interpretation of responsibility to the franchise as a whole.
The best example of how different from basically every other version of the character this makes him is in how Homecoming presents a Peter that is explicitly disdainful of helping regular people (though not unwilling) because he's focused on doing "big" things. Now that he's a superhero, he doesn't want to stop muggers, he wants to stop robot invasions. He wants to get out of his neighborhood and move to bigger pastures, and has to be made to appreciate what he has - which is, initially, treated more as a hindrance than a calling. So one of the primary things he learns is compassion for the people around him, etc.
It's a "restless protege" story, and the central relationship of the movie is the one Peter has with Tony. In general, that's where the comparison to Robin tends to come from (which, joking aside, isn't entirely inaccurate):
Generally, it's a result of rewriting the character to be associated with a character already in the cinematic universe. Spider-Man is typically a solo character with his own character arcs, but since they couldn't (or at least, wouldn't) do that in the MCU, he's rewritten to have his morals dependent on Tony.
edited 11th Feb '18 5:25:40 PM by KnownUnknown
I found Homecoming to be overrated.
Than again I dislike High School Spider-Man. I grew up reading the comics where he was married to Mary Jane so I prefer married Spider-Man.
I'm sick of Marvel trying to make High School Spider-Man seem important when he was only in High School for the first 28 issues.
Adult Spider-Man is way more important to the franchise that the High School version.
Also I hate how Uncle Ben's not mentioned at all.
Also Peter wanting to impress Tony that much was against the core of the character.
Michael Keaton is the best thing about the movie. I wished that he played Norman Osborn instead.
I kind of agree that continuously hitting the reset button and keeping Peter Parker in high school is frustrating. But that's the same reason why I'm glad it's not Norman Osborn (although I'll bet a lot of casual moviegoers have a pretty limited ability to know or care why the Green Goblin was named Adrian Toomes and had wings instead of a glider in this movie), and why I don't really have a problem with them not showing Uncle Ben's death or showing Spider-Man's days as a solo hero, because we've seen those movies, too. I get that people don't want Peter to become Iron Man's sidekick, but in taking it head-on and acknowledging it as part of the plot, they sidestepped a lot of the questions that not showing that passing of the torch would have raised.
edited 12th Feb '18 5:01:51 AM by Unsung
I think we're overselling the extent to which Marvel is pushing high school Spider-Man. A couple of tv shows and a movie does not a complete reversion make, especially when the current comics feature a fully adult Spidey and nearly every other adaptation (including currently-in-production video games) have featured him in college.
Homecoming is almost certainly going to be doing a thing where Peter starts in high school and matures into an adult over the course of his series (much like Amazing tried to do before screwing up), so it's not like the intention of that movie is to keep the character stuck in high school either.
edited 11th Feb '18 7:51:41 PM by KnownUnknown
Well, it's the movie and TV adaptations that people are talking about— that they're doing adult Spider-Man in the comics but not the adaptations *is* the complaint. And at the rate at which the individual series get cancelled and rebooted, if they all start with Spider-Man in high school, we'll never get to the point where he's grown all the way up. Maybe Peter Holland will be different, but either way, the point for me is that every franchise does not have to start with the origin story. At the very least you can reserve that for a flashback to however many years earlier.
edited 12th Feb '18 5:01:21 AM by Unsung
The fact of the matter is still that high school adaptations are in the extreme minority. So the franchise does origin adaptations for a few years. Franchises do that. Batman - for example - did that for a while with the Begins / The Batman double whammy, and has since off and on done origin adaptations. But it doesn't impact the overall brand.
I'm just not seeing why this particular run of high school adaptations is so problematic for Spidey's franchise, especially given how Marvel has made it clear that they're still invested in adult Spider-Man.
edited 11th Feb '18 8:08:27 PM by KnownUnknown
It's based in part around the early Civil War era where Tony became a weirdo father figur to Peter before sending supervillains to beat him up
Forever liveblogging the AvengersPushover Media Critic High School Spider-Man is not the character at his most iconic. Adult Spider-Man is.
Something that only lasted for the first 28 issues can't be the most iconic version of the character.
IIRC, his gimmick for the last few years is juggling running a major corporation and being a superhero, which is a pretty far cry from the manchild idea people assumed he would fall into after OMD.
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This does bring up the question of what makes a character "iconic". True, the original comic only show him in high school for 28 issues, but what about every other piece of media? Not everyone reads the Amazing comics and many people know of Spider-Man through the cartoons (most of which have him in high school), the Amazing movies (high school), the Ultimate line (high school), and now Homecoming.
That being said, I do agree that married Peter is best Peter.
edited 11th Feb '18 8:10:36 PM by LordVatek
This song needs more love.Spider-Man in high school is in the minority of Spider-Man stories ever told, but if the complaint is about the content of the adaptations, then three separate movie franchises and two animated series in the past twenty years have all started with Spidey in high school (with another animated series based on the first movie franchise), and none of them have so far lasted long enough for him to get through university. I don't think this is cherry-picking, really.
edited 11th Feb '18 8:17:13 PM by Unsung

I find his character very faithfully reproduced, and Vulture likewise (despite the liberal thing done with his role and origins) is also a strong adaptation of the character. I have no complaints.
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