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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#80301: Feb 11th 2018 at 3:41:30 PM

My main reason why I didn't watch the third movie was because the franchise kept resetting the characters. In a way they all got more immature with each instalment.

Anyway, I don't think that it matters. currently there is a spiderman most people like in the role (weather moviebob likes the notion or not), and I doubt that we have worry about circular storytelling in the MCU. It always moves its characters forward.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#80302: Feb 11th 2018 at 3:44:49 PM

Regarding the comparison to Homecoming, I agree with the olive branch extended to Raimi fans that Spider-Man 2 is probably the better and more ambitious film, while Homecoming is the better Spider-Man adaptation and Tom Holland is a better Spider-Man.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#80303: Feb 11th 2018 at 3:47:30 PM

That's generally my view. I think Holland is a much better Spider-Man and that Keaton was awesome as the villain, but the movie itself was much more complacent and formulaic than Spider-Man 2.

It's definitely the best Spider-Man movie we've had since Spider-Man 2, but that's kind of damning with faint praise.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#80304: Feb 11th 2018 at 3:47:55 PM

[up][up] Eh...nope.

[up] Spider-Man 2 is paint by numbers. Homecoming, while having some weaknesses, did a way better job introducing a theme and examining it from all angles.

What I give them is the train scene. It is iconic and will always be iconic.

edited 11th Feb '18 3:49:10 PM by Swanpride

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#80305: Feb 11th 2018 at 3:49:11 PM

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Dude, that's an ax. That's not Mjolnir.

All of this bashing of Ragnarok is completely unnecessary.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#80306: Feb 11th 2018 at 3:50:55 PM

Homecoming is also formulaic. It's basically like any other Marvel movie, except with Spider-Man and a better than average villain. That doesn't make it a bad movie (I found it plenty enjoyable), but it's not exactly super ambitious or thematically brilliant or anything.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#80307: Feb 11th 2018 at 3:54:06 PM

Spider-Man 2 is paint by numbers. Homecoming, while having some weaknesses, did a way better job introducing a theme and examining it from all angles.
Homecoming is extremely formulaic. That doesn't mean it's a bad movie by any stretch. Just that if I were trying to make a point about the reputation the MCU has for formulaic movies being false, Homecoming is not the example I'd point to.

edited 11th Feb '18 3:55:15 PM by comicwriter

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#80308: Feb 11th 2018 at 3:54:07 PM

It was less a Spider-Man movie and more a Robin movie.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#80309: Feb 11th 2018 at 3:54:21 PM

[up][up]This and [up][up][up]this.

Spider-Man 2 has stronger characterization overall, Homecoming is a more faithful adaptation of the character. SM 2 is deliberately formulaic, in that it sets out to capture that day-in-the-life quality of Spider-Man stories, which Homecoming also does more briefly before putting it to one side later on. Which sort of defeats the purpose.

If Raimi had been making Homecoming, there would have been another short act between foiling the Vulture hijacking the Quinjet and their identities being revealed. There's a sense of the passage of time in the Raimi movies that I think works well for Spider-Man.

edited 11th Feb '18 4:12:12 PM by Unsung

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#80310: Feb 11th 2018 at 3:56:09 PM

Ragnarok allowed Thor to showcase more Guile Hero tendencies since he couldn't rely on Mjolnir to just beat and blast his enemies into submission with sheer strength, and now he can shoot lighting without his weapon, which is not the biggest deal but a noticeable step up in terms of power progression. His new axe might also have some other powers we don't know about. It's too early to judge.

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#80311: Feb 11th 2018 at 3:57:38 PM

He didn't seem any stronger in the final fight after unlocking his "true" power, and if he was supposed to be, he wasn't really presented as such. Plus, he just felt... stupider. Him, Bruce, Loki, Odin. Everyone was the stupidest, goofiest version of themselves.

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#80312: Feb 11th 2018 at 3:59:24 PM

How? Thor in Ragnarok felt smarter than he'd ever been depicted in the previous films.

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#80313: Feb 11th 2018 at 4:00:09 PM

Most of his dialog just sounded like a dumb person.

Oh, yeah, and VALKYRIE WAS NEVER NAMED ON SCREEN, FOR FUCK'S SAKE.

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#80314: Feb 11th 2018 at 4:00:35 PM

Those Boisterous Bruiser tendencies were always there in all the Asgardians. Faux-Shakespearean doesn't have to mean stuffy.

The new axe's haft looks like it might have grown together that way. Yggdrasil?

edited 11th Feb '18 4:04:02 PM by Unsung

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#80315: Feb 11th 2018 at 4:02:53 PM

Maybe Groot lent him a hand...le.

edited 11th Feb '18 5:17:14 PM by Tuckerscreator

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#80316: Feb 11th 2018 at 4:04:40 PM

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I have no idea how the hell his dialogue sounds dumb but again, the film has Thor use his wits more to get out of Sakaar and to stop Hela. That's not stupid.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#80317: Feb 11th 2018 at 4:08:46 PM

In the comics Thor had an axe that was specifically enchanted to allow him to kill Apocalypse. They might be going for something similar here. He gets his ass kicked by Thanos and forges a new weapon specifically designed to beat him.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#80318: Feb 11th 2018 at 4:12:41 PM

The handle being frmo Yggdrassil could be a nice touch if it's a case of him keeping a small piece of "home" with him at all times, just to remind him of his roots (pun not intended).

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#80319: Feb 11th 2018 at 4:20:29 PM

I hope Valkyrie gets a name one day

In the Valkyrie spinoff movie

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#80321: Feb 11th 2018 at 4:24:29 PM

Thor is... Magnus Burnsides

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#80322: Feb 11th 2018 at 4:31:34 PM

I did not expect to see an Adventure Zone reference in this thread.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#80323: Feb 11th 2018 at 5:02:11 PM

The question of quality aside, I'm not sure about the idea that Homecoming is a better adaptation of Spider-Man than the others. It does an amazing job of updating the world and setting Spider-Man operates in, but the character himself is very altered - not just in terms of simple personality, but in regards to the central themes and ideas that make the character who he is.

It's a good adaptation and a great movie to be sure, but it's not any better an adaptation than, say, Amazing S-M 1, or Raimi S-M 2.

edited 11th Feb '18 5:03:18 PM by KnownUnknown

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#80324: Feb 11th 2018 at 5:04:13 PM

Not really. The whole movie's theme is focused entirely on responsibility.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#80325: Feb 11th 2018 at 5:04:44 PM

Responsibility is a pretty huge concept with a lot of different interpretations, especially in the superhero genre. You might as well call Batman Begins a Spider-Man adaptation, if your only comparison is that it's about responsibility.

edited 11th Feb '18 5:10:46 PM by KnownUnknown


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