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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I mean, I guess you could interpret Peter's behaviour as a little creepy in the Raimi movies, but honestly that's a problem that's much, much more noticeable in the "Amazing" movies to me.
That really sums it up, doesn't it. The first movie ended with Peter having to isolate himself somewhat from the people around him because he knows what the responsibility will mean. The first "Amazing" movie ended with Peter going "fuck responsibility, I wanna get my end away".
edited 9th Feb '18 2:26:25 PM by Sigilbreaker26
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I actually hated them until I stumbled over the Captain America Franchise and Got G....Iron Man and Thor were okay when I came across them, but it was actually Cap who finally brought me into the fold. I was so happy to finally get a heroic hero again.
Lead to me revaluating Ironman and Thor, and I ended up quite liking the movies on a second, more open-minded watch. Ironically I even enjoyed Ironman 2, but then, I watched the movie different than most people, due to not having a clue who Black Widow was.
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The point was that this was not Captain Stacy's or even Peter's decision to make. It was Gwen's. And I really liked that.
edited 9th Feb '18 2:28:30 PM by Swanpride
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The best review of Amazing Spider-Man 2 referred to it as the story of a man who through hard work and perseverance, manages to get his girlfriend murdered.
And that'd have worked if they didn't have Stacy's death scene be him pleading with Spider-Man to stay away from Gwen so she doesn't get killed. Peter essentially took the dying request of a man who gave his life to save him and wiped his ass with it.
edited 9th Feb '18 2:30:12 PM by comicwriter
People have brought this up multiple times when this plot element gets discussed, and I'm sorry to say it doesn't make me look on the movie or Peter any more fondly. It's still a shitty plot element that makes him look terrible no matter how you slice it.
I agree that it's not Captain Stacy's decision and it wasn't really right for him to ask that, but Peter still made a promise to a man who gave up his life trying to save him. That's something that would weigh pretty heavily on pretty much anyone, wrong or right. Peter though? Five minutes later he just acts like it's no big deal and basically says in not so many words "I want what I want and nothing is going to stop me from getting it".
Him choosing to ignore it in the end basically tells me he's learned nothing and invalidates the whole movie: he's still a selfish douche who cares more about his own desires, first and foremost.
I wouldn't have had as much of an issue if Peter and Gwen had talked over it in the sequel and come to the conclusion that it was primarily their decision and started seeing each other again after that, but ending the first movie the way it did was horrible.
edited 9th Feb '18 2:37:23 PM by Draghinazzo
For all Peter is a put upon nerd he's also a smug insufferable douche a lot of the time.
My major problem with Peter promising to stay away from Gwen and then changing his mind like five minutes later is that it felt like it should have been its own arc and needed more breathing room.
Responsibility being staying away from people to keep them safe is a slippery argument that taken to its extreme should lead to Peter having no civilian life and removing any way to tie him back to his previous life just in case he's ever killed while heroing.
He also has a responsibility to be emotionally supportive to the people in his life, I would think.
Anyway, both the Raimi and Amazing Spiders-Man movies are mixed bags to me.
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They are...the reason why I preferred The Amazing Spider-Man in the end was because there was more character development (and a WAY better love interest), and while the second movie was a big mess, it at least was a different story instead of a rehash of the same storyline. Also, I actually liked the Time-Square scene, the action was quite inventive.
Amazing Spiderman II wasn't character development. It was just shit. Peter just acts like a smug brat again for another 2 hours or so until he gets sad because he managed to get his gf killed.
Spiderman II has a much more natural progression to Peter deciding that if Mary Jane's willing to give it a go he's ready to try and balance a life with her and his hero career.
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"I despised the Amazing Spider-Man movies.
The second Raimi movie is my favorite super hero movie of all time.
edited 9th Feb '18 2:42:34 PM by LordVatek
This song needs more love.The Nostalgia Critic did a comparison video about the two sets of Spider-Man movies.
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Korean article it says that Black Panther is the highest selling Marvel film in South Korea, beating Homecoming.
Why? A TV series is always going to have more character development than a movie counterpart by virtue of the fact that they have more time to tell a story.
Not to mention that cartoon shows can also have amazing amounts of depth.
edited 9th Feb '18 11:53:12 PM by MadSkillz
x5 Does help that the movie is partially set in Korea for some of those Germans Love David Hasselhoff points.
Interesting, Luke Cage's past is definitely one thing I think they can expand more on. Maybe they can use this opportunity to fix some of the issues with Diamondback.
On the topic of Spider-Man movies it basically boils down to this:
Tobey’s Spider-Man films gave us a very well written Peter Parker, character arcs that made sense and great hero/villain dynamics. As bad as the third film was, it indeed continues Peter’s story with him trying to maintain his happiness now that he balanced out his life and face his own demons as he face off against the man who killed his uncle.
Andrew’s Spider-Man films gave us a more comic accurate Spider-Man with him being very quippy and a science hero, some very well done action scenes via practical effects . . . well at least until the second movie, and a better romantic chemistry between the main characters. I agree with some of the other people that Tobey’s Peter comes more off as a creep than Andrew’s Peter, which is why I can stomach the relationship between Peter and Gwen more in the Amazing movies . . . well up to a point.
Tom’s Spider-Man film basically takes the best elements of both previous Spidey films and add in him being in a universe with other super heroes. Homecoming has a good character arc for Peter with a villain who is a good reflection of him, just like the Tobey movies. And he is closer to the orginal text with a less creepy relationship with the love interest, just like the Andrew films.
I would argue a couple of things there:
1. I think that only the first two Tobey films had good/natural arcs. The third, not so much, in fact it regressed things in some cases.
2. I don't find Green Goblin to be a well-written villain. He works SOLELY because of Willem Dafoe's tremendous performance. And the villains in the third film just don't work at all imo.
But other than that, yeah pretty much.

edited 9th Feb '18 2:24:31 PM by comicwriter