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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#80251: Feb 9th 2018 at 2:23:58 PM

[up][up][up]Yeah I've seen many people say the smug little "the best promises are the ones you don't actually intend to keep!tongue" scene was too much for them. I'm glad Captain Stacy sacrificed his life to help you, you ungrateful little shit!

edited 9th Feb '18 2:24:31 PM by comicwriter

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#80252: Feb 9th 2018 at 2:25:06 PM

I mean, I guess you could interpret Peter's behaviour as a little creepy in the Raimi movies, but honestly that's a problem that's much, much more noticeable in the "Amazing" movies to me.

[up] That really sums it up, doesn't it. The first movie ended with Peter having to isolate himself somewhat from the people around him because he knows what the responsibility will mean. The first "Amazing" movie ended with Peter going "fuck responsibility, I wanna get my end away".

edited 9th Feb '18 2:26:25 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#80253: Feb 9th 2018 at 2:25:43 PM

I actually kind of liked Amazing Spider Man. But the Lizard was always my favourite Spidey villain, and Gwen and Captain Stacey were pretty good.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#80254: Feb 9th 2018 at 2:27:01 PM

[up][up][up][up] I actually hated them until I stumbled over the Captain America Franchise and Got G....Iron Man and Thor were okay when I came across them, but it was actually Cap who finally brought me into the fold. I was so happy to finally get a heroic hero again.

Lead to me revaluating Ironman and Thor, and I ended up quite liking the movies on a second, more open-minded watch. Ironically I even enjoyed Ironman 2, but then, I watched the movie different than most people, due to not having a clue who Black Widow was.

[up][up][up] The point was that this was not Captain Stacy's or even Peter's decision to make. It was Gwen's. And I really liked that.

edited 9th Feb '18 2:28:30 PM by Swanpride

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#80255: Feb 9th 2018 at 2:28:49 PM

[up][up][up]The best review of Amazing Spider-Man 2 referred to it as the story of a man who through hard work and perseverance, manages to get his girlfriend murdered.

[up]And that'd have worked if they didn't have Stacy's death scene be him pleading with Spider-Man to stay away from Gwen so she doesn't get killed. Peter essentially took the dying request of a man who gave his life to save him and wiped his ass with it.

edited 9th Feb '18 2:30:12 PM by comicwriter

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#80256: Feb 9th 2018 at 2:31:21 PM

The point was that this was not Captain Stacy's or even Peter's decision to make. It was Gwen's. And I really liked that.

People have brought this up multiple times when this plot element gets discussed, and I'm sorry to say it doesn't make me look on the movie or Peter any more fondly. It's still a shitty plot element that makes him look terrible no matter how you slice it.

I agree that it's not Captain Stacy's decision and it wasn't really right for him to ask that, but Peter still made a promise to a man who gave up his life trying to save him. That's something that would weigh pretty heavily on pretty much anyone, wrong or right. Peter though? Five minutes later he just acts like it's no big deal and basically says in not so many words "I want what I want and nothing is going to stop me from getting it".

Him choosing to ignore it in the end basically tells me he's learned nothing and invalidates the whole movie: he's still a selfish douche who cares more about his own desires, first and foremost.

I wouldn't have had as much of an issue if Peter and Gwen had talked over it in the sequel and come to the conclusion that it was primarily their decision and started seeing each other again after that, but ending the first movie the way it did was horrible.

edited 9th Feb '18 2:37:23 PM by Draghinazzo

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#80257: Feb 9th 2018 at 2:35:44 PM

For all Peter is a put upon nerd he's also a smug insufferable douche a lot of the time.

My major problem with Peter promising to stay away from Gwen and then changing his mind like five minutes later is that it felt like it should have been its own arc and needed more breathing room.

Responsibility being staying away from people to keep them safe is a slippery argument that taken to its extreme should lead to Peter having no civilian life and removing any way to tie him back to his previous life just in case he's ever killed while heroing.

He also has a responsibility to be emotionally supportive to the people in his life, I would think.

Anyway, both the Raimi and Amazing Spiders-Man movies are mixed bags to me.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#80258: Feb 9th 2018 at 2:39:03 PM

[up] They are...the reason why I preferred The Amazing Spider-Man in the end was because there was more character development (and a WAY better love interest), and while the second movie was a big mess, it at least was a different story instead of a rehash of the same storyline. Also, I actually liked the Time-Square scene, the action was quite inventive.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#80259: Feb 9th 2018 at 2:41:55 PM

Amazing Spiderman II wasn't character development. It was just shit. Peter just acts like a smug brat again for another 2 hours or so until he gets sad because he managed to get his gf killed.

Spiderman II has a much more natural progression to Peter deciding that if Mary Jane's willing to give it a go he's ready to try and balance a life with her and his hero career.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#80260: Feb 9th 2018 at 2:42:20 PM

I despised the Amazing Spider-Man movies.

The second Raimi movie is my favorite super hero movie of all time.

edited 9th Feb '18 2:42:34 PM by LordVatek

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#80263: Feb 9th 2018 at 4:02:28 PM

I've never seen Homecoming because I'm not interested in another Spider-Man live film, but I have to say I enjoyed the Raimi trilogy more than I did the Amazing Duology as well.

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#80264: Feb 9th 2018 at 4:24:49 PM

The Nostalgia Critic did a comparison video about the two sets of Spider-Man movies.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#80265: Feb 9th 2018 at 4:53:34 PM

This is my personal favorite analysis.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#80266: Feb 9th 2018 at 5:42:00 PM

In this[1] Korean article it says that Black Panther is the highest selling Marvel film in South Korea, beating Homecoming.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#80267: Feb 9th 2018 at 6:49:03 PM

[up][up]I saw that one ages ago, and I agreed with every point it raised.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#80268: Feb 9th 2018 at 11:50:17 PM

(and no movie should have less character development than a freaking cartoon show)

Why? A TV series is always going to have more character development than a movie counterpart by virtue of the fact that they have more time to tell a story.

Not to mention that cartoon shows can also have amazing amounts of depth.

edited 9th Feb '18 11:53:12 PM by MadSkillz

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#80269: Feb 10th 2018 at 1:03:36 AM

[up] Nowadays, yes. The ones I grew up with, not so much.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#80271: Feb 10th 2018 at 9:21:10 PM

[up]x5 Does help that the movie is partially set in Korea for some of those Germans Love David Hasselhoff points.

[up] Interesting, Luke Cage's past is definitely one thing I think they can expand more on. Maybe they can use this opportunity to fix some of the issues with Diamondback.

GraymanofBelka The Senate from Coruscant Since: Dec, 2017
The Senate
#80273: Feb 11th 2018 at 9:45:21 AM

[up]On the topic of music am I the only one who thought the music in the second trailer of black panther sounded a bit like the Doom theme?

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BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#80274: Feb 11th 2018 at 11:02:20 AM

On the topic of Spider-Man movies it basically boils down to this:

Tobey’s Spider-Man films gave us a very well written Peter Parker, character arcs that made sense and great hero/villain dynamics. As bad as the third film was, it indeed continues Peter’s story with him trying to maintain his happiness now that he balanced out his life and face his own demons as he face off against the man who killed his uncle.

Andrew’s Spider-Man films gave us a more comic accurate Spider-Man with him being very quippy and a science hero, some very well done action scenes via practical effects . . . well at least until the second movie, and a better romantic chemistry between the main characters. I agree with some of the other people that Tobey’s Peter comes more off as a creep than Andrew’s Peter, which is why I can stomach the relationship between Peter and Gwen more in the Amazing movies . . . well up to a point.

Tom’s Spider-Man film basically takes the best elements of both previous Spidey films and add in him being in a universe with other super heroes. Homecoming has a good character arc for Peter with a villain who is a good reflection of him, just like the Tobey movies. And he is closer to the orginal text with a less creepy relationship with the love interest, just like the Andrew films.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#80275: Feb 11th 2018 at 11:09:18 AM

I would argue a couple of things there:

1. I think that only the first two Tobey films had good/natural arcs. The third, not so much, in fact it regressed things in some cases.

2. I don't find Green Goblin to be a well-written villain. He works SOLELY because of Willem Dafoe's tremendous performance. And the villains in the third film just don't work at all imo.

But other than that, yeah pretty much.


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