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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Some of the non-photo critics could be black, but I just found it really jarring to see a sea of white faces for the reviews.
This kinda annoys me because it positions black people as the only large minority in America. What about Asians and Hispanics?
Yeah, it would. And I’m not saying that the crappy behavior of major publications is RT’s fault, but they could definitely beef up the inclusion if they looked at more websites/papers. There’s plenty of local, reputable black and latinx newspapers around the country. And there’s plenty of major websites too.
I'm fairly confident that BP's review score is overbloated because the critics are reviewing the idea of the movie and not the movie itself.
A cursory look at foreign reviews will very quickly show a different picture: the consensus there seems to be that the movie is a good Marvel movie, but that it's not anywhere near deserving of the rather insane amounts of hyperbolic praise that it's getting. It's got a very standard Marvel plot. The humor falls flat. The art direction is half-assed and a lost opportunity. The CGI is shoddy in places. The action isn't particularly well-shot. It portrays Africa the way many African-Americans think Africa is, in a very "theme park" way. Not every single foreign review makes those specific issues, but they do seem to come back a fair bit, and I haven't seen them come up very often in American reviews.
The same thing went with Wonder Woman. Mostly everyone know will admit that the third act is an unholy blunder - which was something I remember foreign reviews mentioning often and America reviews mentioning very little. I'm not gonna say that American critics are all spineless cowards - they do their jobs properly most of the time -, but it's becoming harder and harder for me not to think that there is a vested interest in making sure that audiences go see some movies on their part.
...dude. Could you just... not? Like. Once it’s out if you see the movie and share those complaints it’s fine, but that post was a ginormous buzzkill. And you didn’t even cite any specific reviews- you just summed up all the supposed reasons why this movie is presumably mediocre.
I’ll also point out cultural differences. Just cause China loves Transformers doesn’t invalidate American critics’ problems with it, nor does Chinese apathy toward The Last Jedi automatically make it bad.
edited 8th Feb '18 10:24:57 AM by wisewillow
The third act in Wonder Woman isn't an unholy blunder, it's just a step down from the excellent first bit. It's not bad, it's just kind of not living up the hype of the first half.
Though I do take your point, that maybe a broader pool might yield some interesting perspectives. Have you got any specific foreign reviewers you think we should check out?
edited 8th Feb '18 10:33:48 AM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"The fact that foreign critics actually mention specific elements of the movie that don't and don't work rather than filling them with buzzwords (IMPORTANT! INSPIRING! GROUNDBREAKING! BLACK PANTHER MATTERS!) would indicate that yes, they are more accurate. Unless you're telling me that foreign critics are completetely making up the issues that they bring up.
Movies with female superhero leads before Wonder Woman with “Rotten” review scores: all of them.
Movies with black superhero leads with “Rotten” review scores: All the Blade movies, Hancock, Suicide Squad, Spawn, etc.
edited 8th Feb '18 10:36:21 AM by Tuckerscreator
Or, you know, someone can have a different opinion as to whether something is a problem or not?
I'm not even saying that BP doesn't have problems (because no movie is perfect), what I'm taking issue with is your assertion that critics are somehow politically motivated to give BP higher scores which isn't really a good look and makes for a bad-faith discussion.
Gi TS was subject to such a gigantic shitstorm of pointless, manufactured controversy that it being critically assassinated was unavoidable.
Besides, you guys were very busy circlejerking over the one negative review on the last page, so please stop being hypocritical.
PS: So no American critic considers clichéd stories, bad special effects, uninspired production design, bad action scenes or unconsistent pacing to be flaws in a movie. Wow. Suddenly RT seems even more useless than before.
edited 8th Feb '18 10:42:14 AM by GKG
I just want to say I'm not totally adverse to your point of view note but there is some slight aggression in how you're going about expressing it.
BTW, what foreign reviewers would you reccomend checking out for Black Panther that give a different perspective?
edited 8th Feb '18 10:44:00 AM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"Or people don't think the story is cliché, disagree that the special effects or action scenes are bad? You're being deliberately obtuse about this and if I'm quite honest, your dismissal of the whitewashing complaints about Git S as a "manufactured controversy" (as opposed to the film getting bad reviews because it was an uninspired mediocre sci-fi film) isn't really making your initial point look any better.
I don't think anyone would really mind you saying "I've been looking at some foreign reviews and they seem to be more critical so maybe this movie has some issues that aren't being talked about as much as they should be", but the way you're going about arguing this and the conclusions you're reaching from the situation aren't particularly great.
edited 8th Feb '18 10:51:30 AM by Draghinazzo

He used a fancy word to whine about the movie being too thoughtful. I just thought it was funny.