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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#79876: Feb 4th 2018 at 4:53:22 PM

...yeesh, he even got the Soviets to leave Afghanistan and ended the famine in Ethiopia.

Why is he the bad guy again?

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#79877: Feb 4th 2018 at 4:57:47 PM

All the murdering and iron-fisted (literally) tyranny. But he's a better class of villain than we get in the real world.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#79878: Feb 4th 2018 at 5:23:08 PM

@Adric He's not. The villains are the doombots that dare do evil deeds in his name.

edited 4th Feb '18 5:23:54 PM by MadSkillz

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#79879: Feb 4th 2018 at 5:28:56 PM

[up][up][up]That whole fixation on murdering a guy he didn't get along with in school. That's sort of the tragedy of the character. He could be a great man and make the world a better place, but he's too obsessed with RICHAAAAAAARDDDDDDS.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#79880: Feb 4th 2018 at 5:34:07 PM

There's also the deal with him taking away everyone's free will during Emperor Doom

We don't tend to have people do that for good reasons in the real world but the sanctity of free will is one of those things superheroes are always standing up for regardless of context

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#79881: Feb 4th 2018 at 5:41:23 PM

@Bocaj To be fair, he messed with free will but also improved humanity and the world.

Freedom versus Security.

edited 4th Feb '18 5:42:07 PM by MadSkillz

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#79882: Feb 4th 2018 at 5:48:04 PM

Doom's asshole level is a big case of Depending on the Writer. I know that one writer specifically had Doom do a bunch of asshole things because he thought he was turning into a sort of anti-villain sue, and presumably all of those actions were since retconned into being doombots.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#79883: Feb 4th 2018 at 6:08:43 PM

The most noble Doom is Doom 2099, who legitimately wants to make the world a better place, even if it’s to satisfy his ego.

Also, Black Panther in a Super Bowl Lexus commercial.

edited 4th Feb '18 6:11:00 PM by Beatman1

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#79884: Feb 4th 2018 at 6:13:09 PM

Here we go.

edited 4th Feb '18 6:14:45 PM by comicwriter

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#79885: Feb 4th 2018 at 6:18:48 PM

[up] Literally saw that on TV a few minutes ago... (Watching the Super Bowl.)

Tony, Doctor Strange, and Spider-Man in the same scene, followed by Spidey unmasking while the Thanoscopter 2000 is just out in space. WHAAAAA?

Real talk, can we call the giant spinning death circle thingy the "Thanoscopter 2000", please?

edited 4th Feb '18 6:26:21 PM by TargetmasterJoe

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#79886: Feb 4th 2018 at 6:23:43 PM

I hope Peter reinstalled the glider. Also, really glad I’m not whoever Venom SnakeBucky is going after there.

edited 4th Feb '18 6:27:41 PM by TheAirman

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#79887: Feb 4th 2018 at 6:26:02 PM

Thats something Doom has in common with Korvac weirdly

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#79888: Feb 4th 2018 at 6:27:28 PM

Ah, Korvac was just some writers trying to do a take-that at poor old Jim Shooter. He got a lot of take thats, actually, which is pretty unfair if you ask me.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#79889: Feb 4th 2018 at 6:28:51 PM

[up][up][up][up]That's the Thanoscopter Elon Musk wants to build between LA and San Francisco, I think.

edited 4th Feb '18 6:28:59 PM by Unsung

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#79890: Feb 4th 2018 at 6:32:18 PM

Regarding Doctor Doom, he and Lex Luthor are cut from the same cloth: both men are at their core, selfish egotistical bastards Believing Their Own Lies about themselves being great noble men, and who are certainly capable of committing altruistic actions that would benefit the world at large, but not for terribly wholesome reasons.

Oh, and neither of them can let go of their fanatically petty grudge against a particular superhero.

edited 4th Feb '18 6:35:03 PM by Nightwire

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#79891: Feb 4th 2018 at 6:32:52 PM

[up][up] So is that a "yes, let's call the giant spinning death circle thingy 'the Thanoscopter 2000'"?

[up]All this talk about Doom wants me to want him in the MCU already... tongue

edited 4th Feb '18 6:33:58 PM by TargetmasterJoe

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#79892: Feb 4th 2018 at 6:34:20 PM

Well it's difficult to say

Korvac's plans go largely undetailed in the original saga except that things would totes be better when he was in charge and Moondragon thinks he was right

But the Korvac What If was released while Shooter was EIC and he was not shy about micromanaging projects he was invested in

In the What If Korvac's plan is to take away free will do people can't do bad things and then put the universe in stasis so it can't change. He also takes away the Avengers' free will to make them fight for his cause

There's also that Shooter's run all feels like various test runs on the idea of someone gaining godlike power and that being a bad thing

Which he revisits in the first Secret Wars

So some of the dumping that has been done on Korvac I have to wonder if Shooter would just nod and say "that's the point"

edited 4th Feb '18 6:35:36 PM by Bocaj

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#79893: Feb 4th 2018 at 11:36:36 PM

That teaser made me hype simply for Tony and Stephen teaming up. In just a couple seconds, they nailed how awesomely dissonant the two's styles are and how cool that makes their team-up.

edited 4th Feb '18 11:37:13 PM by KnownUnknown

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#79894: Feb 5th 2018 at 12:02:44 AM

To be honest: The Civil War trailer was better.

But I am really glad that Marvel actually listened to the various vids about their music and is now using the Avengers theme in their advertising. I bet in future people will be able to hum it.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#79895: Feb 5th 2018 at 9:27:43 AM

There was a comic where Doom meets with Dracula, and the latter makes some bigoted comments about Muslims. And Doom chastises him for them and says that he finds such views to be pathetic. Also in older comics he demonstrated respect towards Black Panther and Storm.

Also you could just say that Doom is so egotistical and full of himself that he considers such "petty" ideas like racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc to be "beneath him." "All are EQUALLY inferior before Doom" and all that.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#79896: Feb 5th 2018 at 10:02:11 AM

Black Panther is also one of the few superheroes Doom claims to genuinely respect, because he's a monarch like him. And also far more cynical than the other Avengers, which Doom says is refreshing.

It is worth pointing out that Doom is a Romani and they are still treated like shit in much of Europe. He knows what it's like to be part of an oppressed group.

edited 5th Feb '18 10:03:02 AM by comicwriter

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#79897: Feb 5th 2018 at 10:13:24 AM

[up][up][up]I'm constantly humming the Avengers theme.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#79898: Feb 5th 2018 at 10:27:07 AM

I think Doom looses something when you take him out of the sixties he originated in. An independent romani leader in the Eastern block? Victor would have gone from fighting off Hitler to fighting for independence from Stalin.

A small state being isolationist and exceptionalist in the face for the American and USSR super powers had a much different meaning back then.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#79899: Feb 5th 2018 at 10:43:28 AM

Looks like New Warriors might be dead[1]

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#79900: Feb 5th 2018 at 10:44:43 AM

Goddammit, Nitro.

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