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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#79826: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:12:34 AM

Loki and Thor can both be said to be aged by hardship.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#79827: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:14:06 AM

Putting up with Loki's bullshit has aged Thor by a thousand years.

J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#79828: Feb 3rd 2018 at 9:01:49 AM

79805: Ha, I'm holding out for Avengers 6 when they team with the Transformers, GI Joe, James Bond, Rambo, The A-Team, Bill and Ted, Doc Brown, both versions of the Ghostbusters, and John Cena.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#79830: Feb 3rd 2018 at 9:21:00 AM

[up][up][up] I actually laughed out loud. Nice.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#79831: Feb 3rd 2018 at 9:47:13 AM

I have to agree...I am pretty excited about the notion to actually see those heroes getting older. Or, in Spider-man's case, to see him going from High school to college to working live. Consider this, one day we might see old cap. Or a (recast) Thor having to deal with all his friends and fellow warriors dying while he is still looking at centuries of being in his prime. And seeing a new generation of heroes pick up where the original Avengers stopped without them possible turning up again any minute.

Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
#79832: Feb 3rd 2018 at 10:29:52 AM

[up] Stuff like that would be quite interesting.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#79833: Feb 3rd 2018 at 2:01:48 PM

@ Mad Skillz

I don't know, so-called Asian aging tends to apply pretty evenly across skintone.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#79834: Feb 3rd 2018 at 2:05:26 PM

[up]Yeah. I look like I'm still underage despite being nearly 27, and I'm a white dude. On the one hand, it means I'm aging very gracefully, but on the other, it means that 'Asian aging' isn't all that Asian, in a manner of speaking.

edited 3rd Feb '18 2:05:55 PM by kkhohoho

phantom1 Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#79835: Feb 3rd 2018 at 2:10:49 PM

Is being mistaken for a kid/teenager really the same thing I always figured like the looking younger at 40 meant you like lacked wrinkles and stuff, but as someone who is 26 and been mistaken for 16 and before that 12, I always read it more as you look kind of underdeveloped and have a round face and big eyes.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#79836: Feb 3rd 2018 at 3:50:26 PM

I'd love to see the real time nature of the MCU to force a generation of legacy heroes.

Its like having an ant farm of super heroes watching them age and such.

If Clint does retire due to age, I'd like to see that play out on screen.

Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
#79837: Feb 3rd 2018 at 4:50:32 PM

Who would the replacements be?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#79838: Feb 3rd 2018 at 5:26:12 PM

For Hawkeye? Kate Bishop naturally. In general? Well, Thor and Doctor Strange are pretty much immortal, so it's a recast for them. Otherwise they will simply do a combination of new heroes and legacy heroes...Cassy for example is a legacy character already in place, if they want to go with her following her father's footsteps.

BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#79839: Feb 3rd 2018 at 8:34:54 PM

For Hulk, technically speaking, it could be Banner forever as long as most of the on screen focus is on Hulk. Hell, especially with movies like Warcraft and the recent Thor film it is possible for Hulk to carry a whole film without the pressence of Banner. Plus the role of Banner can be replaced, so changing actors is possible.

But if we are doing replacements, She Hulk of course. But only after we get a proper Hulk series of movies cause we barely have a legitimate series with the character so why incorporate his female spin off now . . . I say introduce her in the third (official) Hulk movie which ends with Hulk staying in Jarella’s world and Jen basically taking over.

Cap has MANY replacements. It could be Sam or it could be Bucky, but if we are talking about characters who haven’t appeared in the MCU yet than its going to be John Walker (aka US Agent). It would make for an interesting Contrasting Sequel Protagonist where Steve is a guy who does whats right, John is the guy who follows the rules to a T. For that matter . . .

War Machine should definitely take over for leading the Iron Man films. Not sure of they would replace Don Cheadle, but it is natural for the character to take over sonce the whole point of Rhodes is to be the successor to Iron Man. Plus this would give Marvel an excuse to actually adapt Armor Wars.

Jane Thor is definitely not going to happen unless they Marvel can either get Natalie Portman back or find a better replacement. Buuuuuuut, that doesn’t mean there is no other successor to play Thor as there is Erik Masterson a.k.a. Thunderstrike. And if they continue the series with that guy, the sequels better have characters like Enchantress, Grey Gargoyle, Absorbing Man (returning), Wrecking Crew, and Beta Ray Bill in it.

Somebody already mentioned Kate Bishop so its good.

The Ant-Man movies are just recent, and ALREADY doing the theme of legacy heroes. But if they do it, expect either Cassie Lane taking over as Stature/Wasp, Eric O’Grady as Ant-Man (who is even more shadier than Scott), or both being headbutting heroes like they are in the comics.

For that matter, if they do a whole next generation Avengers would it be like Young Avengers or A-Next? I don’t see the former happening as certain characters (ie most of the key ones) won’t happen due to either licencing of characters (Patriot and Iron Lad . . . well maybe not the latter now that Disney owns Fox), or trouble writing around continuity in the main universe (Wiccan and Speed). I say do A-Next and have it be a cross between that and Young Avengers, and the members include: Cassie Lang (either as Stature or Wasp), Erik Masterson (either as Thor or Thunderstrike), either War Machine (serving as mentor to the team) or Mainframe (who could be Friday in an Iron Man suit), Hulkling (one of two YA characters I can see integrated into this universe), Kate Bishop (the other one who can also be integrated), and Spider-Man (because hell yeah Spider-Man). Its a shame that neither Wiccan nor J2 can join in due to the current continuity and how strongly connected to their parents (Scarlet Witch and Juggernaut respectively).

And lets not forget there are still characters that are yet to be introduce like Nova (aka Dick Rider), Moondragon, the Eternals (who could actually serve as replacement for the Thor mythos), Agents of Atlas (aka the original Avengers), Machine Man, Monica Rambeux, for that matter Nextwave, and (if they move forward with it) Fantastic Four AND the X-Men. I say Marvel have plenty of characters to work with in both legacies AND new charcters to introduce.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#79840: Feb 3rd 2018 at 9:52:43 PM

dick rider lol

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#79841: Feb 3rd 2018 at 9:55:45 PM

[up] That would make an interesting spin-off to Kamen Rider. tongue

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#79842: Feb 3rd 2018 at 10:02:21 PM

Spin-off or porn parody?

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#79843: Feb 3rd 2018 at 10:05:49 PM

[up]...The latter then. evil grin

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BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#79844: Feb 3rd 2018 at 10:06:21 PM

[up]x4 Well it was either his actual name (Richard), or the funnier unfortunate one.

Either way, I would still like to see a Nova movie be made and at some point try and do a loose adaption of Annihilation.

edited 3rd Feb '18 10:06:56 PM by BigK1337

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#79845: Feb 3rd 2018 at 10:12:36 PM

If they get more cosmic marvel going on, Annihilation can be the equivalent of Avengers, bringing together all the cosmic properties to fight a giant alien invasion, as ya do.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#79846: Feb 3rd 2018 at 10:35:19 PM

[up][up]why isn't Rick Rider an option?

BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#79847: Feb 3rd 2018 at 11:02:50 PM

[up] Because then the character would be way too similar to Rick Jones.

[up]x2 Yeah, except bigger since the threat wants to fuck up multiple galaxies instead of one planet and it causes waring races like the Kree and Skrulls to actually team up due to the much bigger threat of Annillus and his Negative Zone army. If this movie happen it should be a crossover between Guardians of the Galaxy (of course), Nova, Captain Marvel, and Fantastic Four (might as well since Annihilus is their villain and it would be cool to imagine the team in this event).

edited 3rd Feb '18 11:08:21 PM by BigK1337

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#79848: Feb 4th 2018 at 12:09:35 AM

I don't want a bunch of legacy characters. This isn't like the comics, where dozens of titles can come out each month. Putting out three movies a year is probably close to the limit of what Marvel Studios can do. If we want any new heroes to get their own solo movies, some of the established heroes are gonna have to stop getting theirs.

If The Incredible Hulk had gotten a sequel in Phase Two, odds are either Ant-Man or Guardians would have been left out. And who knows what would have been left out of Phase 3 if RDJ was willing to do more Iron Man solo flicks.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#79849: Feb 4th 2018 at 2:31:11 AM

Young Avengers....but not exactly the same line-up, just the title with thrown in whatever strikes them fancy.

[up] We are not talking about NOW. We are talking about how the MCU actually allows its characters to age, and how they can get replaced down the line (meaning in a few years, when the older heroes have to retire) by the next generation. Personally I don't think that Thor should be replaced at all. (I always thought that the notion of "Thor" being some sort of title is silly, especially in the MCU, just sent out another Asgardian. Hell, Thor can just send out Valkyrie and borrow her his (repaired) hammer for the mission. Done). Nor do I think that we need one to one replacements for everyone. Seeing a different combination in a line-up is half of the fun.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#79850: Feb 4th 2018 at 5:27:32 AM

I asked myself the nerdy question of "We're ten years into the MCU, what was the 616 like ten years in universe into that?"

I did the math and ten years since the fantastic four formed takes place more or less at the end of the nineties publications. The Onslaught Saga just happened and the heroes have just returned from a year trapped on counter earth, Peter Parker has been married to Mary Jane for a year and they're expecting their first child, and the clone saga just finished, the Infinity Gauntlet isn't in distant memory.

The Avengers are doing jack shit. Wearing bomber jackets and trying to be the X-men. Steve is dealing with Morgan La Fey mind controlling lots of people.

Thor is in a near yearly routine of trying to stop Ragnarok, currently Asgards are in hiding as mortals to try and trick the world tree into thinking Ragnarok has already happened. Odin's about to be killed by Surtur and Thor become king (And try to reinstate the Norse religion on Earth?)

Tony is dealing with Ultron taking control of his armour. He gets PTSD, becomes afraid of technology, gives away his company, goes into hiding as Hogan Potts and develops a new armour called S.K.I.N. which he uses to defeat Ultron and return everything to the status quo.

Honestly if the two universes crossed over at this point, the lack of mutants and Richards family would be weird but the Tonys and Thors would have a lot to talk about. 25 year old peter would freak the MCU cast out, and 616 Steve would just get massive spoilers for his future with Bucky, Civil War and the Secret Avengers.


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