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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#79751: Feb 2nd 2018 at 6:54:33 AM

I think comic readers put a lot more weight on who created which character than I do. I'd personally put more weight on who wrote that character best than whoever thought them up in the first place.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#79752: Feb 2nd 2018 at 7:01:14 AM

February was a pretty good pick all things considered. It is an insanely crowded year and February doesn't have as much competition.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#79753: Feb 2nd 2018 at 7:08:20 AM

I think it bears remembering that before Deadpool made a fraction of all the money, February was where blockbusters went to die

At the time there was outrage at Marvel for pushing back Black Panther into a box office dead zone for Spider-Man.

People were afraid Marvel was going to let it fail and then shrug 'guess superhero movies without white male main characters don't work oh dern'

Happily it seems that Black Panther will succeed.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#79754: Feb 2nd 2018 at 8:50:35 AM

I never really understood why the early winter months were considered blockbuster death slots, short of extreme cold making people less likely to turn out in some regions. If a movie interests me I'll turn out. I've never given weight to what time of the year it came out, as long as it wasn't coinciding with another big movie, which is why I'm surprised blockbusters aren't more evenly distributed throughout the year.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#79755: Feb 2nd 2018 at 8:51:57 AM

Well, Oscars, I think. Oscars and the holidays are over.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#79756: Feb 2nd 2018 at 8:52:54 AM

The movie business is a superstitious and fearful lot.

They don't like to do something unless its already proven.

Heck, summer used to be seen as a dead zone for movies too before Jaws invented the blockbuster.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#79757: Feb 2nd 2018 at 8:52:59 AM

The summer wasn’t always blockbusters season. Before the 70s it was cheap porn and B-movies season. Then they invented air conditioned theaters.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#79759: Feb 2nd 2018 at 10:34:46 AM

I am become error.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#79760: Feb 2nd 2018 at 11:17:04 AM

The logic was that anything that's a mainstream popcorn flick was likely already released during the major hot spots of Summer and Christmas, and that anything that's Oscar Bait was already released as well. So, if a studio is putting out something in January, February or March, it's because they thought it wasn't good enough to compete with the other films released during the hot spots.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#79762: Feb 2nd 2018 at 11:27:12 AM

Speaking of, Black Panther clip:

Lot of comments are calling foul on the choreography. That can’t be good.

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#79763: Feb 2nd 2018 at 11:30:09 AM

[up] Eh, just probably a vocal minority or just one scene suffering from it.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#79764: Feb 2nd 2018 at 12:01:15 PM

It's the internet. People complain about everything.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#79765: Feb 2nd 2018 at 12:27:40 PM

Dare I suggest probably the same people who discussed sabotaging the RT score?

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#79766: Feb 2nd 2018 at 12:29:24 PM

I mean, it's not great choreography in that clip. Still haven't seen the film, but if someone looked at that clip and said "choreography sucks" I would be inclined to agree with them for that clip.

Look at 33-35 secs in for example. It's quite sluggish.

edited 2nd Feb '18 12:30:45 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#79767: Feb 2nd 2018 at 12:33:23 PM

It looks a bit sluggish but it's not that bad. I've certainly seen worse.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#79768: Feb 2nd 2018 at 12:36:30 PM

It's a tad slow, but aside from that, it looks fine. It's nothing incredible, but I hesitate to call it average, much less bad.

The cinematography around the choreography is pretty good, actually.

edited 2nd Feb '18 12:37:20 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#79769: Feb 2nd 2018 at 12:37:58 PM

According to Black Panther costume designer Ruth E. Carter, Ramonda is still South African (specifically Zulu)[1] which would explain why T'Challa and T'Chaka speak isiXhosa instead of a language they'd likely speak given Wakanda's location.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#79770: Feb 2nd 2018 at 12:50:16 PM

Sounds like my grandma, being pretty strict about maintaining the bilingualism.

<My son, it is your time.>

“Mom, you’ve been living in Wakanda for thirty years. You can use Swahili like everyone else.”

<I’m not letting you forget the voice of your ancestors! Now set a good example for your kids!>

<Yes mother...>

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#79771: Feb 2nd 2018 at 12:50:59 PM

I don't think it's all *that* slow. It's not artificially sped up and down or hyperkinetically cutting from angle to angle constantly, which gives it a very different feeling from a lot of other action movies. Those longer real-time tracking shots feel more like something pre-Wachowskis, pre-Jackie Chan, and, for better or worse, pre-Michael Bay.

(Not that Jackie Chan movies don't have long tracking shots in real time, but in trying to emulate Jackie Chan without having Jackie Chan on hand, I feel like a lot of movies cut together their scenes in such a way as to try and achieve a similar speed and rhythm while losing something of that dreamlike quality of the omniscient, floating camera.)

edited 2nd Feb '18 1:00:02 PM by Unsung

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#79772: Feb 2nd 2018 at 12:54:17 PM

Speaking of which, when are we gonna have Jackie Chan in the MCU?

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#79773: Feb 2nd 2018 at 12:54:39 PM

Students find out that they're going to go see Black Panther [1]

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#79774: Feb 2nd 2018 at 1:56:25 PM

In terms of that particular clip, I think it's some pretty cool/brutal fighting and the wig toss is awesome of course.

However, I would say that at least that particular scene doesn't quite have the choreography of Winter Soldier or Civil War. In those movies Cap and Bucky especially (since it's kind of their "power") but also Spider-Man as well as T'Challa himself have this almost Combat Clairvoyance and all of their moves are almost like a dance.

However, that clip of T'Challa overturning the car did seem to have that quality, so I'm not too worried. And besides, if the casino clip is representative, you're still talking about pretty good fight choreography that's no where near the worst in the MCU (that would probably be Age of Ultron or alternatively Doctor Strange or Ant-Man, since their protagonists aren't skilled fighters).

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#79775: Feb 2nd 2018 at 2:23:20 PM

Overall it does seem like Black Panther's fight choreography is a step below The Winter Soldier and Civil War's (which remain the peak of the franchise). Hopefully the cinematography can make up for iit.

That's cool they kept Ramonda being South African. I wonder if T'Challa and Shuri are full siblings in this continuity or still half-siblings with Ramonda being Shuri's mother. I wonder how the MCU Wakandans would take to their previous monarch taking a foreign consort and adopting her tongue then producing a mixed heir with her, given their comic equivalents' penchant for hardcore xenophobia which likely is going to carry over into the film as well.


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