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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#79701: Feb 1st 2018 at 6:15:43 PM

There's a reason why they filmed his most recent cameos ahead of time. And he was in a wheelchair during the Black Panther premiere.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#79702: Feb 1st 2018 at 6:15:43 PM

...guy, he's in his 90's. Why is this such a big deal? If the man dies, he dies, not like he's dying in his 30's or something.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#79703: Feb 1st 2018 at 6:19:34 PM

It's still sad to see him go.

XJTordecai Watch the seventh wave Since: Jun, 2013
Watch the seventh wave
#79704: Feb 1st 2018 at 6:19:51 PM

Given he's already lived a long, successful life it cushions the blow a bit, but damn I'd still be bummed out to see him go.

On my wave, passing oooooooon
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#79705: Feb 1st 2018 at 6:20:28 PM

[up][up][up][up] A wheelchair...? O__O'!

[up][up][up] It's just...haven't we had enough famous people die already?

Don't take Stan away from us, God...

edited 1st Feb '18 6:21:16 PM by TargetmasterJoe

BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#79706: Feb 1st 2018 at 6:23:29 PM

[up]x4 Wow, that’s kind of a heartless thing to say. Yes he’s old, but that doesn’t take away the fact of how influential he was to a lot of us fans of Marvel Comics and our concern for the man’s condition.

Tact, man. Just have some tact

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#79707: Feb 1st 2018 at 6:27:51 PM

[up]x5 While his influence on the actual comics is debatable, he was definitely a champion of spreading them to as many people as possible and I probably wouldn't have been watching Spiderman on TV when I was a kid without his influence, which was the first long-form narriative I ever really enjoyed (well, that and Bionicle).

So I owe a lot to the guy personally.

edited 1st Feb '18 6:28:12 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#79708: Feb 1st 2018 at 6:30:41 PM

[up][up]

First off, don't address me as "man", I'm non-binary.

Second off, how is this heartless? Like, seriously, I get that he's influential for people, but it always feels like people forget that famous people, ya know, all wind up dying one way or another. Just best to make peace with it before it happens. No need to be sad that someone's dead.

[up]

His influence on comics is indeed debatable (I know for a fact Kirby claimed Lee didn't create anything and viewed him with contempt) but I'll at least give him that he had a personality that attracted people to Marvel comics. For that I can have some respect for him.

edited 1st Feb '18 6:32:11 PM by AdricDePsycho

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#79709: Feb 1st 2018 at 6:33:00 PM

[up] To each their own, but could you please just let us have this one?

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#79710: Feb 1st 2018 at 6:34:39 PM

According to TMZ, he's doing better and he feels okay. He'll be staying for a few days for checkups, but he's not in any danger.

That said, I do see where Adric is coming from. I'm going to be devastated when we lose him too, but it's going to happen sooner, not later. Stan the Man's a nonagenarian; most people don't get that long. His time came up years ago; Death's just been too squicked out by Thanos to come do her job.

We'll all be heartbroken to see him go, but we should start bracing for impact.

edited 1st Feb '18 6:36:42 PM by TobiasDrake

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#79711: Feb 1st 2018 at 6:36:39 PM
Thumped: This post has been thumped with the mod stick. This means knock it off.
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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#79712: Feb 1st 2018 at 6:36:45 PM

Weirdly and relatedly, I read Starlin's new Infinity Whatever gn trilogy today which seemed to act as a course correct for stuff he didn't like about other people writing Thanos but according to Infinity Revelation, Thanos and Death are together.

It took accidentally blowing up the universe for Thanos to realize that she always cared for him in her own way and that he needed to take it down a notch. And then they kissed.

So.

Yeahhhh.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#79713: Feb 1st 2018 at 6:38:50 PM

[up]I think that's why it's so hard to believe. Because he has been around that long. So long that it almost seemed like he'd be around forever. And now that reality's reared its' ugly head, it's disheartening to say the least.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#79714: Feb 1st 2018 at 6:39:14 PM

[up][up]Dammit, Starlin! Death has way better taste than that!

...she likes Deadpool.

edited 1st Feb '18 6:39:54 PM by wisewillow

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#79715: Feb 1st 2018 at 6:40:46 PM

Maybe Death is into polyamory

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BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#79716: Feb 1st 2018 at 6:41:07 PM

@Adric I get what you’re saying, man. But the way you said makes you sound like a dick with no consideration for how people would feel. It’s like hearing that your Grandma is hospitalized and somebody just came up to you and say “Well of course she’s going to do die sooner and later. She’s old”.

My point was basically to be more tactful of the things you said. Especially when its related to somebody who was just in the hospital, old or not.

[down]x3 Too bad. You lost that privlege with your tactless comment.

edited 1st Feb '18 6:54:17 PM by BigK1337

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#79717: Feb 1st 2018 at 6:42:18 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up][up] How legit is TMZ? I only know them for their paparazzi-ing.

[up][up][up][up][up][up] Okay, maybe it's just the anxiety talking. Sure, they're saying he's fine, but isn't that what they said about Carrie Fisher until her time came? Point is I'm not chilling out yet.

edited 1st Feb '18 6:44:35 PM by TargetmasterJoe

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#79718: Feb 1st 2018 at 6:43:42 PM

Also, Lee may not have created a lot of the characters and concepts from the early days of Marvel, but he still wrote most of the dialogue and helped craft the characters' general personalities. Which, as anyone who's actually read Kirby's dialogue can attest to, helped a LOT more than you'd think it would. So I feel he still deserves a certain amount of credit there.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#79719: Feb 1st 2018 at 6:45:05 PM

[up][up][up]

Again, please don't address me as "man", I'm non-binary.

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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#79720: Feb 1st 2018 at 6:45:07 PM

They are best known for their paparazzi-ing but the original article was a TMZ article. So, y'know. Their update is as reliable as their initial report. No more, no less.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#79721: Feb 1st 2018 at 6:45:14 PM

[up][up][up] Well, the marvel method really only kicked into the controversial gear somewhere down the line.

It feels uncomfortable talking about it though, with this scare.

Though the real split in the relationship was less of Lee's fault and more that of some journo who wrote a flattering piece about Lee but basically described Kirby as a slob. Seriously, it came across like he was trying to insult the guy.

edited 1st Feb '18 6:48:01 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#79722: Feb 1st 2018 at 6:46:32 PM

[up]...Which means what exactly?

RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#79723: Feb 1st 2018 at 6:49:25 PM

Eh, I already wrote a pre-emptive eulogy for Stan back in 2013, so I'm emotionally prepared.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#79724: Feb 1st 2018 at 6:50:11 PM

[up][up][up]The Marvel Method basically means "artists do the scripting" which is a big help, since it means that they can integrate the speech into the comic more.

It also meant that they were doing a lot more, and the writers just needed to submit what was basically a synopsis... or a short synopsis... or sometimes just the basic scenario. Which meant that the artist was having a lot more freedom... but they were also dealing with a much bigger workload.

It was this that started the initial tensions between Kirby and Lee.

edited 1st Feb '18 6:51:17 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#79725: Feb 1st 2018 at 6:52:34 PM

[up]No, the Marvel method was that the artists would do the plotting. They would take the story idea and plot it out over pages and panels, and then the writer would go back in and write the script, i.e., the dialogue, narration boxes, whatever, before the letterer did the dirty work of writing that in.

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