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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#79601: Jan 31st 2018 at 9:01:41 AM

The Skrulls are really shitty at their jobs then if they assume the identities of people but can't figure out how to actually look like them.tongue

But yes, there's a reason why in Secret Invasion, the only Skrull impostors turned out to be relatively minor characters or people who hadn't been around in a while (like Mockingbird). The only big exception was Hank Pym, as even Spider-Woman had been in limbo until becoming an Avenger.

Honestly Hank and Hope being somewhat miffed at Scott because of what happened in CW makes a lot of sense. Scott did make a reckless/impulsive decision and didn't seem to think about how it would affect the people around him. So them being irritated with him would fit. I also wonder what his ex-wife and Cassie's father-in-law will have to say about it now (especially since the latter covered for Scott in the first film).

"You got to punch Spider-Man? Cool. I hate that guy."

edited 31st Jan '18 9:02:06 AM by comicwriter

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#79602: Jan 31st 2018 at 9:20:02 AM

The Skrulls Are Really Shitty At Their Jobs is a Marvel comics event I would read, and an Avengers crossover I would watch. With Phase 5, they thought they'd try something a little different. You've fought the best... Now fight the Skrulls.

About "Ant Invasion", I figure it's possible that this is a simple but catchy enough hook that both heard on their own or heard in a snippet of classical music once. But Adam and the Ants were a new wave band, coming out of the disco era, so they could've had some concept of sampling in mind, too.

edited 31st Jan '18 9:24:52 AM by Unsung

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#79603: Jan 31st 2018 at 9:22:59 AM

Even if the people know ahead of time there are limits to who they can replace. Nobody that headlines a movie is going to be replaced because then it invalidates the events of the movie. So we're just going to wind up with a bunch of sidekicks and minor characters being switched out.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#79604: Jan 31st 2018 at 9:32:24 AM

Post-Infinity War, I'd say Secret Wars is the obvious pick for a big crossover movie. An alien being gathering a bunch of heroes and villains together and making them Hunger Games each other is both a solid pitch for a movie and a convenient way to explain a bunch of characters from separate franchises all showing up in the same place.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#79606: Jan 31st 2018 at 9:44:47 AM

With the Ghostcycle can the Spider-Mobile and Thanoscopter be far away?

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#79607: Jan 31st 2018 at 9:58:06 AM

Black Panther has officially becomes Fandango’s highest selling superhero movie of all time in presales, beating Batman v Superman[1]

edited 31st Jan '18 10:00:08 AM by ComicFan

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#79608: Jan 31st 2018 at 10:00:05 AM

Hot damn.

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#79609: Jan 31st 2018 at 10:27:51 AM

Batman v Superman just can't have anything nice can it? [lol]

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#79610: Jan 31st 2018 at 10:28:55 AM

Does it deserve anything nice thoooooooooough?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#79611: Jan 31st 2018 at 10:51:24 AM

It deserves the niceness of being mocked?

That's a thing right?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#79612: Jan 31st 2018 at 11:19:48 AM

Well, it has the distinction of having single-handedly sunk a franchise everyone (who didn't pay attention) thought would be a save bet. Honestly, this might be the worst botch in movie history. Worse than Cutthroat Island and Fant4stic together.

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#79613: Jan 31st 2018 at 11:34:59 AM

And naturally all those characters can't be dead, a fair share of them have to break out and come back, so that they have to deal with the fall-out of what their double did.

That's exactly how it worked in the comics. All of the replaced people were imprisoned so that they could be rescued. This was even used to excuse a resurrection or two. "You thought Mockingbird was dead? Nope! It was the Skrull replacing her that died. The real Mockingbird is fine."

Also, because we're talking about Skrulls, I feel obligated to ask when we're going to get a Skrull Kill Krew movie? tongue

The Kill Krew was more of the 90's being the goddamn 90's. In the first appearance of the Skrulls, Reed Richards made them turn into cows and then brainwashed them into thinking they really were cows, ending the invasion. This morally dubious decision came back in the 90's when a group of people ate hamburgers made from those Skrull cows.

This gave them the power to see through Skrull shapeshifting, so they became the Skrull Kill Krew, traveling the world hunting down Skrulls and murdering them with that which the 90's was so great at, pointlessly dark and gritty bloodviolence.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#79614: Jan 31st 2018 at 11:37:04 AM

This morally dubious decision came back in the 90's when a group of people ate hamburgers made from those Skrull cows.

This gave them the power to see through Skrull shapeshifting

Comic books, man.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#79615: Jan 31st 2018 at 11:42:24 AM

I wonder if the scale of secret invasion will change. Really in the comics, replacing heroes did jack shit outside of distracting Earth's superheroes with an effective paranoia play while they stage a conventional invasion in Manhatten (Where they all cosplayed).

Really, Secret Invasion wasn't about replacing superheroes to use to conquer the earth, they just fooled the superhero community into thinking that. (And it was super effective considering how long they spent in savage land) it was a batman gambit.

I image that WONT be the case in a MCU version. Because they've done a conventional invasion story before in Avengers (2012). I wonder if the scale in much smaller, and it's just the avengers trying to stop themselves being replaced in preparation of an invasion.

In which case I could total buy Skrulls trying to stop Hydra from killing off all the super heroes with helicarriers, and even helping the Avengers at times. Heck the Sokovian Accords is a nifty way to keep track of where the super heroes are at most times.

Alternatively you could go the complete over route; have the entire US government be controlled by Skrulls and made the public sympathetic to the space goblins thinking they'll be saviours.

IDK, Civil War showed me that the MCU adaptations have a lot of freedom.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#79616: Jan 31st 2018 at 11:42:59 AM

One of them was also turned into a duck, which ended up being eaten by a Chinese family and gave the daughter powers.

Comics.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#79617: Jan 31st 2018 at 11:43:46 AM

Obviously the answer is that every human has been replaced with a Skrull at this point, but due to a lack of communication from the apathetic upper management, each one of them believes they're the only Skrull on the planet, so they're all keeping up the facade of humanity unaware that the only people they're deceiving are fellow Skrulls.

edited 31st Jan '18 11:44:10 AM by Anomalocaris20

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#79618: Jan 31st 2018 at 11:46:36 AM

I had an interesting conversation with someone who suspects - or at least thinks it would be an interesting plot point - that the Tony (or possibly the Pepper) we see in Homecoming is actually a Skrull who replaced him after Civil War, citing their suddenly fixed relationship and a few perceived differences in Tony's personality.

It would, at the very least, make for a decent twist. Though it would also inevitably lead to "Tony dies in Infinity War! Nope! Just a Skrull" which would be kind of meh.

edited 31st Jan '18 11:47:13 AM by KnownUnknown

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#79619: Jan 31st 2018 at 11:53:58 AM

Back when the comic event was the new big thing, I suggested online that Wolverine should be three Skrulls. He was replaced by three separate Skrulls, each of which was operating at the same time somewhere else in the world and none of whom had any idea about the other two being active. This was meant to explain why, at the time, he was appearing in every f*cking team comic and guest-appearing in all of the solo comics.

It was a sequel proposal to my Civil War proposal along the same lines, which was that Wolverine should be both Pro-Reg and Anti-Reg. He's just on both teams with no explanation. It's never addressed. When Cap's consulting his people, Logan's there. When Tony's briefing his men, Logan's there. Nobody ever seems to notice his double duty.

That was meant to culminate in the final issue of Civil War where, for one panel of fighting, you'd be able to see Wolverine fighting Wolverine in the background.

Once Secret Invasion came out, I realized that gag would have been perfect foreshadowing.

edited 31st Jan '18 11:54:30 AM by TobiasDrake

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#79620: Jan 31st 2018 at 11:54:31 AM

Well, I have suspected that Pepper may be an alien invader ever since she started Goop.

Also, I remembered that the Zykons in Doctor Who are pretty much Skrulls, and I liked the show's Rousseau Was Right take on the idea, with the Zykons similarly being refugees and many of them peacefully living on Earth and while a militant faction of them attempts to conquer Earth, they are talked down and not really fundamentally malicious in their goals.

edited 31st Jan '18 11:54:56 AM by Hodor2

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#79621: Jan 31st 2018 at 12:56:37 PM

I demand an adaptation of the Groot comic where three Skrulls try to invade Earth but take the wrong directions and end up on Earfk.

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#79622: Jan 31st 2018 at 2:35:58 PM

I personally think it would be better if none of the characters we know were replaced. I recall reading in this very thread that in the comic version, once Skrulls were revealed as a thing, the audience looked at Steve and Tony during Civil War and assumed one of them had to be a fake, because of their behavior during that arc. And the twist was that the weren't. The REAL Tony Stark and Steve Rogers had just gotten that fucked up by the situation.

So imagine the movie: The Avengers are back together as a team, standing strong as ever. And over the course of the movie they devolve into paranoia and anger and fall apart, then kind of get their act together, and discover who the "fake" is: nobody. All the paranoia and "suspicious behavior" was a result of all the issues caused by Civil War being swept aside and buried, rather than addressed and dealt with properly.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#79623: Jan 31st 2018 at 2:39:22 PM

[up] Again, we are not talking about doing it immediately, but having it a thing which definitely happened after Infinity war. Along the line of "hey, this was the planet which successfully fought Thanos, better to do something about it. Also, are the Kree bioengineering weapons there? DEFINITLY do something about it".

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#79624: Jan 31st 2018 at 4:54:48 PM

Black Panther director Ryan Coogler and co-writer Joe Cole originally wanted to include Eli Bradley (Patriot)[1]but it would've taken focus away from Wakanda.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#79625: Jan 31st 2018 at 5:02:24 PM

Had a couple of Ant-Man and the Wasp related thoughts/speculation:

So I've seen some speculation that Ghost might be Bill Foster's daughter, and I'm not sure what I think about that idea (kind of iffy on the idea that "of course two nonwhite characters are related) although I can see how it would work as a parallel to Hope and Hank. In any event though, from the trailer and some stills, it seems like Ghost might be working for the bad guy, who I assume is Sonny Burch.

Assuming that Ghost is like her comic counterpart and has an anti-corporate component to her mercenary work and is likely to betray Evil Corporation employers, I kind of figured that (whether related to Foster or not), Ghost might work for Burch under a pretense of being a loyal mercenary and perhaps would keep her face hidden at all times and use a voice modifier. And then ultimately betray him (and if applicable reveal her true identity in a No Doubt the Years Have Changed Me type thing). Still think she'd be villainous though and have to be stopped. Because Ghost's comic character is decidedly a darker version of the anti-corporate Robin Hood that Scott is in his backstory.

Additionally, and perhaps tied into the mid credits Stinger, while I don't think Tony Stark necessarily will appear in the movie proper, I wonder whether some of Burch/Ghost's stuff will involve targeting him. With the result that through Tony pulling some strings, Scott gets a pardon and an invite to the Avengers, even if Tony can't remember his name.

Edit- Yes, I'm kind of ripping off Batman: Mask of the Phantasm for Ghost.

edited 31st Jan '18 5:31:42 PM by Hodor2


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