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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#79576: Jan 30th 2018 at 10:54:36 PM

I want a good Fantastic 4 movie so much more than any X-Men MCU movies, you don't even know. The X-Men are good, but the Fantastic 4 deserve justice. They have had so many good comics and cartoons, but no live-action adaptation has done them justice.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#79577: Jan 31st 2018 at 1:06:48 AM

Honestly Hank and Hope being somewhat miffed at Scott because of what happened in CW makes a lot of sense. Scott did make a reckless/impulsive decision and didn't seem to think about how it would affect the people around him. So them being irritated with him would fit.

I also wonder what his ex-wife and Cassie's father-in-law will have to say about it now (especially since the latter covered for Scott in the first film).

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#79578: Jan 31st 2018 at 3:25:41 AM

Again, pushing Spider-man into the schedule was at least partly about the contract Sony has, which requires Sony to release a new Spider-man movie regularly or they lose the rights. They really couldn't wait giving them his movie to make this deal work. Plus, in a way it worked out the best. Yes, we have to wait a little bit longer, but there is something truly powerful about Black Panther being released in Black History month.

May I mention that I am really glad about Wright jumping off the Ant-man franchise? He would have never given the Wasp (who is one of the few well-known Superheroes who isn't just a female off-shot of a male one, but has her own name and her own unique abilities compared to Ant-man) the room to shine. Also, somehow Civil War worked out great for the franchise, because it allows them to put Scott back into the dog house for reasons which are understandable to the audience without it feeling as it his character regressed.

Anyway, I am personally not in a hurry to see the X-men in the MCU. Or the secret invasion. I want to see both eventually, but I also would like for Marvel to first properly conclude their film saga with Infinity War 4.

edited 31st Jan '18 3:27:04 AM by Swanpride

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#79579: Jan 31st 2018 at 4:23:33 AM

Honestly post Infinity War I'd like phase 4 to take some time to establish the new status quo and avenger team. I'd like Avengers 5 to be something small scale and intimate, like The Masters of Evil. Leave the big crisis crossover plots, like secret Invasion, to Phase 5.

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#79580: Jan 31st 2018 at 4:35:37 AM

What is somewhat interesting is that Hank changed himself to be a male offshoot of Wasp in the comics with his Yellowjacket persona.

Could fly and had a ranged zap attack

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#79581: Jan 31st 2018 at 6:04:04 AM

[up][up] I like a little bit of both...a few stand alone movies to expand the universe and then: boom, the revelation (preferable in the Black Widow movie) that at some point after Infinity War (AFTER!!!!), the secret invasion happened and we now have no idea which characters running around are still real and which have been exchanged.

Though, honestly, it will be hard to match the emotional rollercoaster Ao S created in "Self-Identity" with a similar storyline.....

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#79582: Jan 31st 2018 at 6:10:28 AM

A Secret Invasion arc in the movies will have the same problem as the one from the books

Nobody prominent will have been replaced because the outrage of finding out we've been following a "fake"

Nobody with their own movie for instance and the movies don't really have a huge secondary cast to draw from that will have any kind of impact

Maybe Fury possibly

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#79583: Jan 31st 2018 at 6:34:43 AM

"I like how much focus is on protecting civilians and how competent the team feels."

Really? I feel AOU they got really dochey with each other, and then there is rhe stupid helicarrier in sokovia...

Anyway, the theme is cool but it make the whole thing to look serious than it is....actually the whole trailer kinda look a little bit to serious for me, and as I guess, Neither hope or Hank are thrill by scott choice and Neither should they considering how idiotic that was.

Also....Yeah, were is his family? Better adress that one.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#79584: Jan 31st 2018 at 6:39:02 AM

[up] ????? Obviously still on his side considering he has a scene with Cassie??????

[up][up] Well, I only remember this particular arc from Earth Mightiest Hero and there it worked just fine. Especially the story it provided for Cap.

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#79585: Jan 31st 2018 at 6:43:29 AM

EMH was one ensemble show

Cap's story is the Avengers' story and vice versa

In the MCU Cap has his own stories. Depending on where you place the replace you run the risk of invalidating part of his story

And the same goes for anybody that has their own movie

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GraymanofBelka The Senate from Coruscant Since: Dec, 2017
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#79586: Jan 31st 2018 at 6:49:20 AM

I saw a theory that Rhodey was the skrull (which would be a cool meta joke).

edited 31st Jan '18 6:51:19 AM by GraymanofBelka

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#79587: Jan 31st 2018 at 6:51:53 AM

Yeah, I think Secret Invasion is tough to pull off if you want to continue making movies with meaningful character development. Imagine if Infinity War revealed that the Cap we've been following was a Skrull that took his place during the fight in Avengers. It undermines the events of Winter Soldier and Civil War If you know it's not really Cap doing these things.

edited 31st Jan '18 6:52:35 AM by Kostya

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#79588: Jan 31st 2018 at 7:17:58 AM

[up] Which is why I specified that the exchanges have to happen AFTER infinity war...Honestly, you can do the whole thing within three movies or so. Now would be the perfect timing, because there are no new characters waiting to be introduced (outside of the ones they get from fox, naturally).

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#79589: Jan 31st 2018 at 7:38:04 AM

Secret Invasion could work if it was a phase in and of itself, but it would need a lot of executive mandate over the filmmaking process. I could see the Skrull reveal happening in the film directly before the event, but in the entire phase building up to it, every film was produced with the marching order, "One character - not a background character or extra - in this film is a Skrull. Decide who that's going to be."

It'd basically be relying on each writer to offer up a character to have been replaced, but also gives them fair warning ahead of time so that they can create the film with that in mind. Then, instead of say Pepper being replaced and fans being like, "Oh, this totally ruins her entire arc in Iron Man: Milk the Cash Cow Til It Bleeds," they can instead look back at the movie and go, "Holy shit. I see it."

edited 31st Jan '18 7:43:12 AM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#79590: Jan 31st 2018 at 7:51:44 AM

[up] Pretty much, yeah. Though I would initially only tell the writers and directors and then do the reveal halfway through, so that the whole fandom gets excited about the eventual reveal. Meaning the movies have to first work on their own.

And naturally all those characters can't be dead, a fair share of them have to break out and come back, so that they have to deal with the fall-out of what their double did.

But, as a I said, first Marvel should wrap up this particular arc. I am all for the MCU not ending anytime soon, but if would be kind of a relief to know that no matter what, this block of movies will always work as a memorable saga.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#79591: Jan 31st 2018 at 8:26:38 AM

As I mentioned in a post a while back, my choices for Secret Skrull would be Nick Fury, Everrett Ross, Sharon Carter, or Maria Hill for the following reasons for each:

With Fury, we know he's in the Captain Marvel movie, that the movie has Skrulls, and that the movie takes place earlier. So, it struck me that this would make it pretty easy to do a "Skrull all along" reveal with him.

With Ross, basically because he was a morally dubious dick in Civil War but apparently is more sympathetic in Black Panther. So, it would work to reveal him as a Skrull after the audience has started to sympathize with him more.

With Sharon, I think she'd be a good dramatic choice and had this idea of showing a Skrull at least somewhat Becoming the Mask because of the fact that she stayed in character and took care of Peggy in her last days.

And finally with Maria Hill, it's mostly because I thought it would be funny to do a twist where the MCU Maria Hill, who is nice and quirky, is a fake, and the real Maria Hill (trapped on a space ship somewhere) is the acerbic and borderline villainous Hill of the comics that we know and love hate.

Edit- And with Ross or Carter, you could spin it so that either one was maliciously exacerbating the conflict between the Avengers while seemingly being helpful to their respective "Team".

edited 31st Jan '18 8:29:51 AM by Hodor2

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#79592: Jan 31st 2018 at 8:30:22 AM

I'm happy for some small characters to have been Skrulls all along. Thunderbolt Ross for instance. But if any big name characters are gonna be replaced by Skrulls, I expect it to happen pretty close to the Secret Invasion film to avoid cheapening previous emotional beats.

Also, I don't think you need too many people to be Skrulls for the Secret Invasion story line to work. The most effective parts of the story aren't shocking reveals, but instead paranoia. I especially liked Tony Stark being worried that he is a Skrull because his actions during Civil War really made this invasion a cake walk for the Skrulls, and that was a real good exploration of Tony's guilt.

[up]I second Evert Ross for a Skrull. Nick Fury though? I feel like, if Fury's been a Skrull all a long, he's not done much. He's just not screwed up the world enough despite utmost ability to do so. Heck he formed the Avengers. (unless the intention was to create a small team of highly powerful and influential people and then attempt to replace them all. And the plot of the film is the Avengers trying NOT to be replaced)

Sharon Carter would work. I'm worried that if we're not getting anymore Cap films she's going to vanish into obscurity.

edited 31st Jan '18 8:36:44 AM by Whowho

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#79593: Jan 31st 2018 at 8:31:57 AM

I can get behind existential crises although I'm not sure a movie is the proper medium.

The properest medium is the last ten minutes of an animated movie ham fistedly about environmentalism

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#79594: Jan 31st 2018 at 8:37:24 AM

Dang I should re-watch Ferngully.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#79595: Jan 31st 2018 at 8:43:22 AM

The problem with Hill and Sharon being Skrulls is that neither has really gotten enough screentime/stuff to do for it to really make an impression.

And if it's Fury, then Fury-Skrull really sucks at his job it would seem.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#79596: Jan 31st 2018 at 8:48:57 AM

Well to be honest, I partly suggested them because of the lack of screen time, because it means that they have less character to start with. And so revealing they are Skrulls doesn't require a lot of hoops to jump through in order to explain previous actions as part of a master plan.

But yeah, Fury does raise some issues as a Skrull because of heroic actions in various movies. I mean I guess you could argue that Fury!Skull helped stop Loki's invasion and the Hydra world take over, because they would be counteintuitive to Skrull conquest, but I'd think that a Skrull would probably want the Earth in as weak/messed up a position as possible prior to conquering it.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#79597: Jan 31st 2018 at 8:51:01 AM

Guys, it's so obvious. The Mandarin is a Skrull.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#79598: Jan 31st 2018 at 8:56:13 AM

Which one?

Also, something really cool that I saw noted on the Marvel Studios Reddit. So, the Ant-Man theme (lietmotif?) is taken from the Adam and the Ants song "Ants Invasion". However, the same tune is also in another piece called "Grim Grinning Ghosts" that was written for Disney's Haunted Mansion Ride.

I believe the latter came first, and I don't know to what extent the Ant song "borrowed" from it or if it's a common cord progression (think that's the right term).

However, because of the songs, it means that the Ant-Man tune is a theme for both Ant-Man and Ghost.

Edit- Article discussing this and linking to both songs.

edited 31st Jan '18 8:59:52 AM by Hodor2

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#79599: Jan 31st 2018 at 8:56:49 AM

It's not just Rhodey. Bruce Banner, Betsy and ol' Thunderbolt Ross, Peter Parker and Aunt May— the MCU is rife with shapeshifters.

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#79600: Jan 31st 2018 at 9:01:34 AM

In what way? None of the previous iterations of those characters were canon to the MCU or recast aside from Bruce.


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