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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#79501: Jan 29th 2018 at 11:37:16 PM

[up]What I'm telling is...is he even the focus of the film? Because if he's not, then your argument falls flat because we may not focus much on him anyways.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#79502: Jan 29th 2018 at 11:38:40 PM

Why wouldn't he be granted focus in the film? They're bringing Janet Van Dyne in there, clearly Hank Pym is going to have a substantial amount of focus if they're bringing his wife back.

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#79503: Jan 29th 2018 at 11:41:24 PM

[up]Still, it's better if you simply see the character instead of the actor.

Like, your issues are understandable but can greatly cloud the film's judgement just based on a real life factor, which can't be a good thing.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#79504: Jan 29th 2018 at 11:41:57 PM

Maybe they should recast him with that stunt double that looked uncannily exactly like him.

Or CG him like they did with young Douglas.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#79505: Jan 29th 2018 at 11:43:05 PM

[up][up]

The man is a sexual assaulter. I don't think I can let that slide, and I know a lot of people won't either. Again, this is the same excuse people give when they wanna pretend Woody Allen, Mel Gibson, or the whole host of creeps and assholes in Hollywood haven't done openly controversial shit.

[up]

Just get Christopher Plummer to replace him in post-production.

edited 29th Jan '18 11:43:49 PM by AdricDePsycho

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#79506: Jan 29th 2018 at 11:45:40 PM

[up][up] It's will be released in July, but I think that won't much necessity if he doesn't have that much of screen-time.

[up] I understand but still, it all depends in how heinous the harassment was and if it wasn't that severe or was the only case, then the person shouldn't get that much flack, especially if said person would want to atone and set things right.

edited 29th Jan '18 11:48:17 PM by Luigisan98

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#79507: Jan 29th 2018 at 11:49:28 PM

People know they did awfull shit, Is just they dont want to stop seeing s movie because sold side actor who isnt the main chararter.

In my case, I will just wait to got it free somewhere rarher that give him my Money.

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#79508: Jan 29th 2018 at 11:51:18 PM

[up] That's the point, you shouldn't associate the film's actions or events as condoning the actor because it's unrelated.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#79509: Jan 29th 2018 at 11:52:26 PM

[up][up][up]

He jacked off in front of an assistant, how is that not heinous? And given he, again, tried to preemptively deny the allegations before they came out, I highly doubt he's gonna seek forgiveness. Please don't try to whitewash a sexual assaulter.

Hank Pym may be a "side" character here, but given A: the plot is known to involve his wife, B: one of the main characters is his daughter, and C: he's like the third most important character in Ant-Man and is supposed to serve as a mentor, the idea that he's gonna be sidelined or something is born out of nothing. He'll be in half of the movie, this isn't like Kevin Spacey only being in like a quarter of Baby Driver.

edited 29th Jan '18 11:55:02 PM by AdricDePsycho

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#79510: Jan 29th 2018 at 11:55:30 PM

[up] I'm not whitewashing him, just trying to say why the sexual assault claims shouldn't overshadow the film's perception.

Lastly, let's move on. It's the best course of action to take instead of continuing with such divisive topic.

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BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#79511: Jan 30th 2018 at 12:06:04 AM

[up]x4 You do know the other portion of said box office return goes to also Payton Reed, Paul Rudd, Evangeline Lilly, Michael Pena, Michelle Phiffer and Laurence Fishborne? Unless all of them have been a part of yet another sexual allegation, I'm pretty sure not going to see it due to what Michael Douglas did is a bit of a large leap.

Its just like the issue with Ruroni Kenshin's creators, while I do not support what the guy did that doesn't mean I should stop buying the manga volumes and dvd of the anime as there are tons of other people who have involvement in creating and distributing said work that deserves to get paid. I think this is where seperating the artist with the work should come into play here; whether or not the allegations regarding Michael Douglas is true.

[up] Yeah I agree. This is the first time I even heard of this controversy. I merely mention AntMan and The Wasp because I was legitimately hype for it and was not up to date on the latest Hollywood news.

[down] My post wasn't even refering to you Adric, but to Unknowing.

edited 30th Jan '18 12:14:17 AM by BigK1337

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#79512: Jan 30th 2018 at 12:07:54 AM

...where did I say that I'm not gonna see the film because of Douglas's allegations? I said my hype for it went down considerably, I'm still going to see it anyways. I'm not gonna be happy to see it knowing that Michael Douglas is going to have a large amount of screentime, but I'm not asking for a boycott of the thing.

[up]

Ah, never mind then. I mean I don't particularly blame Unknowing for doing that, to be honest.

edited 30th Jan '18 12:11:47 AM by AdricDePsycho

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#79513: Jan 30th 2018 at 12:12:07 AM

I think it's weird to call the separation of an actor from the character as an exercise in futility. The point people do that is so that they can enjoy the story without being caught up in the real world and escape into the story.

That said, I support anyone who doesn't want to go watch such movies because of sexual allegations involving the director/actor etc.

edited 30th Jan '18 12:39:05 AM by MadSkillz

XJTordecai Watch the seventh wave Since: Jun, 2013
Watch the seventh wave
#79514: Jan 30th 2018 at 12:22:23 AM

I'm not pleased with Michael Douglas' actions one bit, but I still think I'm gonna go see Ant-Man and the Wasp since I've gotten well into the MCU recently and I enjoyed the first Ant-Man well enough, even with how filthy I'm gonna feel for helping put money into his pocket.

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BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#79515: Jan 30th 2018 at 12:28:29 AM

[up]x2 That is exactly what I meant by that. Instead of focusing on the behind the scenes of what the people who made the movie have done IRL, why not just focus on the quality of the film itself. Its not really hard to do for somebody you know has done something fucked up but you still enjoy the performance they gave in the past, present or future.

[Holds up picture Chris Benoit to face]

Yeah, I am not going to stroke the picture longingly. He's too controversial.

I can accept Unknowings decision in not going to see it because of that. It just seems weird to me that it is the main reason to not want to see a movie.

[up] Hey look on the bright side for the amount of happiness you give to Michael Douglas, you are also giving a large amount of happinessto the other actors, directors and writers of the film cancelling out the former's happiness. So whatever . . . yes, I'm a Money Cuck.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#79516: Jan 30th 2018 at 12:35:12 AM

There's still Paul Rudd, Evangeline Lily, Laurence Fishburne, Michelle Pfeiffer, Hannah John-Kamen, Walton Goggins, etc. That's plenty of reasons to see the film for me, regardless of my feelings towards Michael Douglas.

Also I get a little iffy on pre-emptively assuming guilt based on allegations (maybe it's the criminal justice degree-holder in me talking, IDK).

Also as someone who wasn't too fond of how they handled Hope and Janet last time, I'm curious to see if there's a least a good payoff coming there.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#79517: Jan 30th 2018 at 12:46:39 AM

The other actors are hardly starving. Also pretty sure they don’t get paid in box office gross, but a set paycheck after filming. Woody Allen’s movies are full of great actors too. Still doesn’t appeal me.

edited 30th Jan '18 12:47:29 AM by Tuckerscreator

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#79518: Jan 30th 2018 at 12:51:04 AM

I have gotten in the habit to rank the franchises instead of the movies....

1. The Captain America Franchise

As I said, the First Avenger is very underrated, it is actually my favourite origin movie (yes, I like it slightly better than Ironman), The Winter Soldier is my favourite of the whole MCU and Civil War is just epic!

2. The Got G Franchise

Honestly, I can't say which one I like more. The first one is more balanced, does better with the joke and is just perfect in everything what it tries to do. The second one stumbles a little bit more, but is thematically way stronger, has the better villain, and those last ten minutes...that is how you do an overly long funeral scene!

3. The Avengers Franchise

First one is still great, Age of Ultron is full or problems, but thematically, it actually has a lot to offer...I am also hopeful for Infinity war.

4. The Spider-man Franchise

This one might move up or down with later instalments, but overall, I really like Tom Holland in the role, which might be the most important thing. Solid first entry with home-coming, so I put it here for now.

5. The Ironman Franchise

First one is great, second one an enjoyable mess (I like it more than most do), third one was interesting but really dropped the ball in the last 20 minutes. Loved the Mandarin idea, though.

6. The Thor Franchise

Frankly, nearly on the same level. As I mentioned, the problem with the Thor Franchise is that there are always two storylines which never have the same quality level. I actually like the Shakespearean aspects of the first Thor - honestly, I like all origin movies of phase 1 more than the ones in phase 2. Hope Phase 3 will do better with Black Panther (first reactions are posted, btw) and Captain Marvel. Anyway, Thor TDW is objectively speaking the worst movie in the MCU, it comes very close to being rotten, and while Ragnarok is a blast, it just lacks the balance the Got G movies provide. I want a little bit more than just fun, I want a little bit of everything.

7. The Ant-man Franchise

Flawed first entry, but I am optimistic.

8. The Doctor Strange Franchise

See above

9. The Incredible Hulk

It might not be the worst movie in the MCU, objectively speaking, bit it is just incredible boring and therefore my least favourite nevertheless. Also the most skipable.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#79519: Jan 30th 2018 at 5:50:57 AM

Ant-Man & The Wasp teaser trailer

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#79520: Jan 30th 2018 at 5:55:39 AM

[up] What a nice trailer! grin

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#79522: Jan 30th 2018 at 6:06:03 AM

Lolololololololroflol!

Can't wait!

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#79523: Jan 30th 2018 at 6:15:08 AM

It's better not to think too hard about the logistic of this building, though....

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#79524: Jan 30th 2018 at 6:16:57 AM

Some more good size changing shenanigans it seems

I like the rolling building suitcase

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