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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#79476: Jan 29th 2018 at 7:58:07 PM

I find Darkseid the more frightening character, because of his commitment to Dystopia Justifies the Means coupled with godlike powers that makes him the perfect adversary for Superman, because Superman is his moral antithesis (note, talking about Superman in comics and animation here- haven't seen Justice League as of yet).

I do like Thanos in the MCU, but while he is seemingly an Omnicidal Maniac like Darkseid and definitely also stacks up in terms of "worst parent ever", I don't think he's quite as "scary" as Darkseid. I think because while Thanos might kill you (and everyone else) after breaking your spirit, Darkseid might keep you alive.

Relatedly, Thanos so far comes across to me as a really lousy person, but identifiable "human" nonetheless, whereas I think of Darkseid as more along the lines of an extreme malign alien intelligence. The closest thing the MCU has to that so far is Ego.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#79477: Jan 29th 2018 at 8:01:18 PM

Intellectually Darkseid might be the greater threat, but emotionally Thanos is more viscerally intimidating. I suppose it's sort of like a matter of what frightens you more on a gut level; a serial killer in the basement, or a threat of nuclear attack.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#79478: Jan 29th 2018 at 8:08:03 PM

Fair point. I think I find Thanos less frightening because of the fact that his evil plans tend to be subject to the Reset Button and are always foiled by someone else or by himself after a Heel Realization. Whereas Darkseid typically makes significant progress toward creating a Hell on Earth, and even when defeated, as Bocaj notes, is still successfully ruling a planet where he's the hideously oppressive god.

edited 29th Jan '18 8:09:08 PM by Hodor2

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#79479: Jan 29th 2018 at 8:16:34 PM

I've always found Darkseid very boring and one-note as a character. Also, his "I am better than you" shtick just irks me for some reason.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#79480: Jan 29th 2018 at 8:21:44 PM

Wasn't Darkseid apart of the New Gods before getting "transported" to a Superman villain.

"Mai waifu."
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#79481: Jan 29th 2018 at 8:22:51 PM

@Nightwire- Yeah. I can see that. Because the point of his character is that he can never really lose. He's like the personification of Evil Only Has to Win Once.

Whereas Thanos is often a Self-Disposing Villain and finds no joy in his plans succeeding.

Kind of odd in light of the fact that D.C. Comics were traditionally more optimistic than Marvel Comics.

edited 29th Jan '18 8:26:11 PM by Hodor2

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#79482: Jan 29th 2018 at 8:25:15 PM

I don't really care for Thanos so far. Not attached to any of the comic book storylines with him, and it's taken him forever to really do anything in the MCU.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#79483: Jan 29th 2018 at 8:30:57 PM

Thanos might lose, but he's usually fighting everyone head-on, and Darkseid might win, but he's usually sitting in his throne room for most of the fighting. Darkseid's eye beams versus Thanos's big punchy fists and bedazzled gauntlet, that really tells you all you need to know about their differences in philosophy, both in terms of the characters themselves as well as the writers' intentions for them. I don't really find either one out-of-universe scary, but I do generally find Thanos more compelling.

edited 29th Jan '18 8:31:26 PM by Unsung

BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#79484: Jan 29th 2018 at 8:31:49 PM

Off Topic: Heres my ranking of Marvel Films

1) Captain America: Winter Soldier (Definitely the best in my booj)

2) Iron Man (It was a really strong start for this film series)

3) The Avengers (A bit blashphamous of me to rank this 3, but its still a great film)

4) TIE Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 1. and Vol. 2 (Honestly since these two are butting heads and are in the same series might as well have them both share the spot)

5) Captain America: The First Avengers (A great way in adapting the Golden Age classic)

6) Captain America: Civil War (So much better than the comic)

7) Spider-Man Homecoming (It is definitely a true Spider-Man adaption that didn’t try to pull some kind of grand third act finale to make the character look good, speaking of . . .)

8) Ant-Man (I would of ranked this number one of biased induced favorite Marvel Movie)

9) Thor: Ragnarok (Definitely the best in the Thor series)

10) Doctor Strange (I acknowledge the criticism regarding the film, but I don’t hate it to basically rank it lower since I actually enjoy the movie’s plot and characters)

11) Thor (Its kind of a meh film when you think about. A rough orgin story for Thor)

12) Avengers: Age of Ultron (Definitely a huge disappointment after what the first film gave us. Most of the blame goes to the Hulk/Widow subplot, Ultron being a pretty weak villain in spite of Spader’s performance, too many jokes that ended up making the third act hard to take serious, and shameless plug in for Civil War).

13) Iron Man 3 (Again, another disappointment. Who would of thunk the whole Mandarin plot twist could actually drag a film’s quality down the toliet? Also the whole PTSD subplot not being heavily explored as advertise and barely using anymore Iron Man villains like AIM (who are in name only) and Ghost . . . at least that guy would be in Ant-Man and Wasp).

14) The Incredible Hulk (. . . It depress me how the only legitimately good Hulk adaptions happen in other characters movie)

15) Iron Man 2 (BIGGER disappointment than Iron Man 3. I mean I like Michael Rooke as Whiplash/Crimson Dynamo and Sam Rockwell as Justin Hammer, but in the end they were just filler villains as the main attraction of that movie is promoting the Avengers. And yes, this movie WAS the Batman v. Superman of the MCU.)

16) Thor: The Dark World (. . . yeah, nuff said)

Now on the subject of whose better between Darkseid and Thanos, I’ll just be a hipster and say: never mind that shit, here comes Mongol!

edited 29th Jan '18 8:32:08 PM by BigK1337

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#79485: Jan 29th 2018 at 8:48:22 PM

Ant-Man & The Wasp trailer tomorrow [1]

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#79486: Jan 29th 2018 at 9:09:56 PM

Wake me up when there’s Black Panther or Infinity War news. Unless the trailer defies all my expectations, I have about 5% interest in Ant Man movies.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#79488: Jan 29th 2018 at 9:22:23 PM

...thanks, Zhu Li! :-)

Not sure if that’s final sound/score but the action is solid :D

edited 29th Jan '18 9:23:58 PM by wisewillow

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#79489: Jan 29th 2018 at 9:23:44 PM

[up][up] Thanks.

@79404 Steppenwolf...just Steppenwolf...

edited 29th Jan '18 9:24:01 PM by Mizerous

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#79490: Jan 29th 2018 at 9:34:05 PM

Does Klaue still have his hand in that scene?

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#79492: Jan 29th 2018 at 9:46:55 PM

Zhu Li, you are the very best.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#79493: Jan 29th 2018 at 10:26:32 PM

According to reactions it's another hit for Marvel with the standouts being the women (specifically Shuri) and Killmonger

edited 29th Jan '18 10:38:44 PM by ComicFan

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#79495: Jan 29th 2018 at 10:40:00 PM

I’ll just be over here hyperventilating for the next two weeks. Omg.

BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#79496: Jan 29th 2018 at 10:46:13 PM

Oh shit, the Ant-Man and Wasp trailer is tomorrow!?!

That’s the one Marvel movie sequel I have a 110% percent interest in!

Better stay on Youtube for the next 24 Hours!

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#79497: Jan 29th 2018 at 11:00:40 PM

I think my hype for the film kinda died down a bit after Michael Douglas got outed as yet another sexual harasser in Hollywood.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
XJTordecai Watch the seventh wave Since: Jun, 2013
Watch the seventh wave
#79498: Jan 29th 2018 at 11:13:09 PM

Just gonna stay in the camp of avoiding as many reviews/opinions of it as I can until I see it. That said I'm still expecting at the very least an enjoyable movie, given how on fire the MCU is right now IMO.

EDIT: Black Panther, I mean.

edited 29th Jan '18 11:13:34 PM by XJTordecai

On my wave, passing oooooooon
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#79499: Jan 29th 2018 at 11:29:42 PM

[up][up] I think you should separate what an actor did to what makes you interested in the film, because while understandable, it could heavily affect your judgment on the film based on things that don't even relate to the actor himself. So whether the claims are true or not, I'll still watch the film but mainly because Ant-man is the focus, not him.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#79500: Jan 29th 2018 at 11:36:18 PM

That's the same bullshit logic people use when they wanna watch a Woody Allen movie while pretending Woody Allen didn't molest his daughter. And hell, Douglas preemptively tried to deny the accusations before they even got published. It just screams of guilt.

Separating the work from the artist is, has been, and always will be an exercise in futility.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?

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