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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#79351: Jan 26th 2018 at 3:25:03 PM

There's that one comic where Reed Richards asks for Hank Pym's help. When Pym asks why, Reed says "You're the foremost genius on nanotechnology and microbiotics. It would take me a week to reach your level of expertise."

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#79352: Jan 26th 2018 at 3:27:35 PM

Reed talks shit in the best ways.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#79353: Jan 26th 2018 at 3:38:21 PM

Chadwick and Letitia explain the new suit

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#79354: Jan 26th 2018 at 6:03:47 PM

Having Shuri be smarter than Stark isn't really a big issue because it's unlikely they'll have any extended interaction. Having too many characters with overlapping abilities or skills is really only a problem when it begins to make the others seem redundant.

An instance I immediately thought of is the Beast example mentioned in the Power Creep, Power Seep section, where the Avengers books historically downplayed his intelligence because the team already had Iron Man, Hank Pym and Black Panther.

edited 26th Jan '18 6:21:30 PM by comicwriter

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#79355: Jan 26th 2018 at 6:05:27 PM

It was actually a plot point that led to an insecurity spiral that Beast eventually cured with tons of casual sex

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#79357: Jan 26th 2018 at 6:28:20 PM

Apparently in the Marvel universe!

Mobs of women would come up to Beast on the street and invite him up to their apartments

Tigra got the same but creepier when she first joined the Avengers too

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ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#79358: Jan 27th 2018 at 2:19:44 PM

Other than the recent Lexus commercial, it looks like a new Black Panther tv spot will play during the super bowl and a tv spot for Infinity War [1]

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#79359: Jan 27th 2018 at 4:29:57 PM

While Shuri being nonspecifically smarter than Tony is cool and totally fine as a general statement, I agree with the people who dislike the idea of her being the "smartest person in the whole world period" or that such a list even exists for a grand unified metric that by all rights should not be this easy to quantify, and that it reeks of shitty DBZ Power Levels. Now if she was just the most talented roboticist or neurobiologist-cum-programmer in the world who exceeds Tony Stark that would've been totally fine. But as it is, it's a bit corny. Chuunibyou, even.

edited 27th Jan '18 4:33:42 PM by AlleyOop

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#79360: Jan 28th 2018 at 10:40:47 AM

Dunno if this has been posted/seen yet. First look at Captain Marvel. [1]

I don't approve of the lack of red in that outfit.

edited 28th Jan '18 10:46:04 AM by Eagal

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#79361: Jan 28th 2018 at 10:49:19 AM

Well both Tony and Shuri are generally engineers, right?

[up] it has been and I think it's supposed to be a shout out to Mar-Vell's green and white costume

edited 28th Jan '18 10:50:37 AM by Bocaj

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Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#79362: Jan 28th 2018 at 11:10:50 AM

Shuri probably never made a robot that instantly turned evil, so she's got one up on Tony. tongue

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#79363: Jan 28th 2018 at 11:11:45 AM

Well a third

"Credit" can be split between Tony, Bruce, and Thanos

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#79364: Jan 28th 2018 at 12:28:54 PM

Well that's kind of a thing in the comics as well, Tony get blamed for things even when it's not really his fault (or at least he takes 100% of the blame when others were actually partially responsible as well).

Also Shuri had the luxury of growing up around tech that was FAR more advanced than the stuff Tony was working with. So she had a leg up on him from the beginning.

And as others have said, t's this DBZ-power up attitude of "I have to make my own character look good by claiming that they're the bestest best at everything" idea that annoys me. I mean credit where it's do, at least the Ant Man movie didn't try to claim that Hank was the smartest guy in the world, because they didn't need to.

edited 28th Jan '18 12:30:40 PM by Punisher286

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#79365: Jan 28th 2018 at 12:43:38 PM

So I just saw Thor: Ragnarok. Man, I was aching for a "main" MCU film (as in, not Got G or Ant-Man) that didn't take itself so damn seriously. I had a blast from start to end.

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Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#79366: Jan 28th 2018 at 4:34:18 PM

It's a ton of fun, despite the clash between the tragic plot elements (Odin's death, the revelation of Asgard's history as an evil empire founded on conquest, the destruction of Asgard) and the comedic tone. In terms of actual events, it's the darkest Thor movie; in terms of tone and style, it's the most comedic and lighthearted.

Contast Winter Soldier, which had serious events (with a similar story, based around the hero realizing unpleasant truths about the organization he served and having to destroy it) combined with a serious tone; or Ant-Man, which had low stakes and a humorous tone.

I still find Thor Ragnarok better than Ant-Man by a wide margin, but the clash between plot and tone weakens both the dramatic elements and (to a lesser extent) the comedic ones.

edited 28th Jan '18 4:39:18 PM by Galadriel

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#79368: Jan 28th 2018 at 6:02:05 PM

Eh, I'm one of the people who enjoyed Ant-Man more than Winter Soldier, for what that's worth.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#79369: Jan 28th 2018 at 6:05:53 PM

...you’re entitled to your opinion.

I LOVED Thor: Ragnarok. It was fantastic.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#79370: Jan 28th 2018 at 6:18:01 PM

It was okay...I liked the Gladiator part of it and I liked the Ragnarok part of it, I am just not sure if I liked those two together and I certainly was frustrated with the unwillingness of the movie to allow me to grief about anything.

That's why I prefer Got G (both movies). They are fun, too, but if something sad happens, the movie gives me time to feel sad - and as a result, the funny moments are even more funny.

Plus, the humor in Ragnarok was a little bit too predictable and self-referential for my taste.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#79371: Jan 28th 2018 at 6:21:40 PM

Ragnarok was what GotG 2 should have been in my opinion. I really liked the moments in Vol. 2 that dealt with Ego, Yondu, Nebula, and the family theme in general but as far as the humor went it was a little too drunk on itself for my tastes. Ragnarok nailed the humor aspect perfectly.

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#79372: Jan 28th 2018 at 6:29:49 PM

Call me crazy, but maybe    RAGNAROK'    shouldn't be the movie where you say "Let's make this the funny one."

edited 28th Jan '18 6:29:57 PM by SonOfSharknado

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#79373: Jan 28th 2018 at 6:30:00 PM

The only change I’d have made to Ragnarok was axing the last joke. “We can rebuild” was fine, but let it hang there and sink in when it turns out that no, we can’t. Don’t have Korg take back the joke.

Other than that, I thought it was perfect.

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#79374: Jan 28th 2018 at 6:36:16 PM

It kinda says something that Ragnarok has the one joke everyone agrees should've been cut, while there's way too many jokes in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 that needed to be cut. Most of them toilet humor related.

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#79375: Jan 28th 2018 at 6:37:05 PM

I'd have axed the entire character of Korg, because I consider it the height of hubris.

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