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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#79326: Jan 25th 2018 at 11:34:13 AM

[up] Is that a prototype suit or something?

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#79328: Jan 25th 2018 at 11:55:20 AM

Needs red and a sash but I like the military lines of it

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#79329: Jan 25th 2018 at 11:59:29 AM

Those are traditional Kree colors, which I'm guessing has some significance.

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#79330: Jan 25th 2018 at 12:17:25 PM

I'm guessing that's it's probably a more standard Kree military uniform (Ultimate Comics Mar-vell had a similar color scheme on his outfit).. They might have her change colors later on, to make it more "her own thing."

It could also explain where she's been since the 90's, and why they haven't mentioned her in the MCU yet. She ends up out in space as an officer in the Kree military.

edited 25th Jan '18 12:40:52 PM by Punisher286

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#79331: Jan 25th 2018 at 12:49:59 PM

I find that doubtful mainly because the Kree's tendency towards Always Chaotic Evil portrayals seems to be carrying over to the MCU. I know the films don't care about the show's depiction of them as one-dimensional evil forces powered by sadism, but the films haven't exactly done much better with them.

In the films, they've only shown up in the first Guardians, and that was to go "Meh. Your problem, not mine! Toodles!" when one of their own started butchering Xandarians.

It's pretty unlikely that we're going to suddenly get a sympathetic enough portrayal of the Kree military to justify the hero of an MCU film voluntarily flying off to serve as one of their soldiers, fighting wars and conquering peoples in their name.

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#79332: Jan 25th 2018 at 12:57:54 PM

Perhaps, but it could be a Kree suit Mar-Vell has lying around that he gives her. They are likely going with his comic origin of being a Kree defector who falls in love with Carol Danvers. Particularly since when she first got her powers, she was aided by a specialized Kree uniform that allowed her to fly and stuff.

This could easily be something similar.

edited 25th Jan '18 12:58:41 PM by comicwriter

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#79333: Jan 25th 2018 at 1:19:46 PM

Costume looks cool. Was going to say wrong color, but was noted on my Twitter feed that this looks like an outfit Mar-vell wore in an early appearance, so yes, i's probably supposed to be Kree military.

My guess is that she'll start with this and then her red outfit will be a Captain Patriotic spin once she's back on Earth.

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#79334: Jan 26th 2018 at 8:10:26 AM

The Infinity War Funko of Thor leaked out on Reddit. Spoilers but check it out.

Axe confirmed. Looks a bit like Ultimate Mjolnir as well.

edited 26th Jan '18 8:10:52 AM by comicwriter

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#79335: Jan 26th 2018 at 8:17:53 AM

Isn't Captain Marvel a prequel? Maybe the Kree of that time will be different from the Kree of now.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#79336: Jan 26th 2018 at 9:14:21 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j56WPBaiPYQ

A really interesting video about the three act structure using The Avengers as example.

I actually disagree with the definition in the end - my issue with it is that it assumes that every movie has a protagonist which makes decisions. Which is not the case in movies like "M", which still has a really clear structure - but it is a really good examination of the key turns in The Avengers.

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#79337: Jan 26th 2018 at 10:07:08 AM

[up][up] Based on what we know of them from Guardians, the Kree of twenty years ago would probably be worse. Guardians indicates that the peace treaty with Xandar is a relatively recent thing.

Modern Kree are at least willing to pretend they aren't imperialist monsters.

Besides, not changing much over centuries and even millennia is kind of the Kree's thing. They're obsessed with finding a way to evolve their species. It's why they started the Inhuman project in the first place. The comic event Galactic Storm even features the Kree's leader, the Supreme Intelligence, committing galactic genocide against his own people in an attempt to restart their evolution through desperation.

edited 26th Jan '18 10:08:31 AM by TobiasDrake

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#79338: Jan 26th 2018 at 11:13:28 AM

Black Panther expected to open at $133 million according to box-office pro [1]

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#79340: Jan 26th 2018 at 2:07:23 PM

And the racist portion of the MCU fandom just got a new target. Seriously, anyone remember how well people took it when Moon Girl was stated to be the smartest person in the Marvel comic universe?

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#79341: Jan 26th 2018 at 2:12:51 PM

Honestly it doesn't matter to me what race, gender, ethnicity, etc the character is. The notion that a writer feels the needs to go "oh my character is the bestest, smartest, strongest, etc that there is" to hype them up, has always felt lame to me.

Like Shuri is super-smart, I got no problems at all with that. But do you really have to try and claim that she's smarter than Tony Stark, and Howard Stark, and Hank Pym, and Bruce Banner, and T'Challa, etc? And I'd say that about any character really.

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#79342: Jan 26th 2018 at 2:15:15 PM

Well, why can't she be?

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#79343: Jan 26th 2018 at 2:15:58 PM

...wait, is SHE going to take the place of Riri Williams? 16-year-old black intellectual prodigy with an eye for robotics. I'm suddenly going to be a lot less surprised if she wears an Iron Man suit and calls herself Iron Heart in Infinity War.

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#79344: Jan 26th 2018 at 2:17:38 PM

Who said anything about her being Ironheart?

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#79345: Jan 26th 2018 at 2:19:13 PM

[up][up]Pfft, why would Shuri do that? Iron Man is way less cool than her big brother, and if she’s gonna super hero, she’ll come up with her own name thanks.

edited 26th Jan '18 2:19:27 PM by wisewillow

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#79346: Jan 26th 2018 at 2:37:05 PM

[Joke here about calling her the Iron Lady]

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#79347: Jan 26th 2018 at 2:54:10 PM

I honestly don't get why it is important who is the smartest either, especially since there is so much knowledge out there that nobody would be able to be an expert in everything either way. Which is why Tony needed Bruce's help in Age of Ultron. Simply not his area of expertise.

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#79348: Jan 26th 2018 at 3:04:23 PM

In one 2005 arc Shuri became Black Panther while T’challa was out of Wakanda.

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#79349: Jan 26th 2018 at 3:09:38 PM

I wonder how they're going to show her being the smartest person in the MCU Earth. I mean, I can kind of buy it, if Wakanda is supposed to be 100 or so years ahead of the rest of the world, technology-wise, I can buy that a child prodigy from Wakanda outstrips everyone else on the planet. I'm just curious how they're going to communicate that. Are they going to have a scene in Infinity War where she, Tony, Rocket, and Bruce are in a room trying to figure out how to harness the energy of an Infinity Stone and her technobabble is more advanced than the others?

If they don't bother to show her being the smartest person in MCU Earth and have that affect the plot, then there's no point in mentioning such a thing in an interview. I'm also curious how this is going to affect Reed Richards when the Fantastic 4 finally get the adaptation they've been waiting for, since his whole shtick is being the smartest person on earth, and possibly in the universe.

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#79350: Jan 26th 2018 at 3:23:30 PM

I honestly don't get why it is important who is the smartest either, especially since there is so much knowledge out there that nobody would be able to be an expert in everything either way. Which is why Tony needed Bruce's help in Age of Ultron. Simply not his area of expertise.

I agree with this.

When I was younger, I cared a lot more about the whole "Seven Smartest People on Earth" thing in the comics, but unless everyone's an Omnidisciplinary Scientist, it's really just a stupid pissing contest.

edited 26th Jan '18 3:23:39 PM by TobiasDrake

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