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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#79301: Jan 24th 2018 at 5:34:55 PM

Do you think the films aren't acknowledging the events of the shows?

edited 24th Jan '18 5:35:07 PM by Lymantria

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#79302: Jan 24th 2018 at 5:38:05 PM

They aren't acknowledging them, but they aren't contradicting them either. None of the films have mentioned the recent Inhuman outbreak, but they have mentioned that there's a rise of superpowers in general. For the most part, the shows are just too small-scale for the films to care.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#79303: Jan 24th 2018 at 5:42:14 PM

[up]One the other hand, that dosent mean it the Inhumans, it just a way to said there is other heroes, consider how Black Panther, antman and Spiderman debut in this film....

Now while it dosent contradict anything, it kinda become very weird when some element dosent register in the movie, the whole Hive plot should alert the avenger, or a léast cap consider is HYDRA we are taking about.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#79304: Jan 24th 2018 at 6:57:05 PM

I don't expect the films to ever reference the shows.

But it does feel like the shows aren't referencing the films as much anymore. I wonder if it's kosher film-rights-wise for the Netflix shows to make mention of some weird stuff that went down in Queens and the weird new hero patrolling there?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#79305: Jan 24th 2018 at 7:01:10 PM

When the whole thing with Hive was going on, the Avengers were kind of busy taking airports apart. (btw, it is kind of funny that Ross is chewing out the Avengers for having lost two "nukes" while the US military already has lost something along the line). And don't forget that there are some things which happen between the movies we never got to see. Ie the Avengers taking out Hydra after The Winter Soldier (and acting on information Hill gets from Coulson).

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#79306: Jan 24th 2018 at 7:05:04 PM

[up]And yet ross end Being right when the avenger have their little petty fight that allow zemo to have is way, is hard to belive hit whatever the avenger was doing was more important that stop HYDRA from Bringing and alíen to earth.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#79307: Jan 24th 2018 at 7:07:26 PM

[up] More important - no. But they weren't necessarily the best team for the job, either. The Ao S knew what Hive was and had the tools to defeat him.

Plus, what was going on wasn't public knowledge. So unless either the government or Coulson had decided to inform them, there was nothing to do. Not that there was much left to inform. With cap on the run and War machine hurt the only ones left were Tony (who is the last person the government would tell this kind of secret) and vision.

edited 24th Jan '18 7:10:15 PM by Swanpride

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#79308: Jan 24th 2018 at 7:21:27 PM

I don't expect the films to ever reference the shows.

But it does feel like the shows aren't referencing the films as much anymore. I wonder if it's kosher film-rights-wise for the Netflix shows to make mention of some weird stuff that went down in Queens and the weird new hero patrolling there?

It's been kosher, so far as I know. Sony only holds the film rights to Spider-Man; the TV rights are at Marvel. However, they said back when they started making shows that they didn't want to put any character into the shows whose film rights aren't in their hands.

Like, there's theoretically nothing stopping Luke Cage from fighting Doctor Doom, but he won't because Marvel doesn't want the sticky web that comes from using characters that are legal in one medium of the franchise but not in another.

In fact, that's why Marvel's co-producing The Gifted: Fox had to strike a deal with them to make shows based on their X-universe, because Marvel owns the X-Men's TV rights.

edited 24th Jan '18 7:22:58 PM by TobiasDrake

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#79309: Jan 24th 2018 at 7:25:46 PM

Like, there's theoretically nothing stopping Luke Cage from fighting Doctor Doom, but he won't because Marvel doesn't want the sticky web that comes from using characters that are legal in one medium of the franchise but not in another.

But... but where's my money, honey?

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#79310: Jan 24th 2018 at 7:26:29 PM

Look, all Luke Cage wants is his $200.

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#79311: Jan 24th 2018 at 7:28:58 PM

I love that the "where's my money, honey?" story shows that not only does Luke Cage take no crap from nobody, but he's also petty enough to beat up the ruler of a sovereign nation over $200. I mean, granted, adjusted for inflation, $200 was worth a lot more back then, but still.

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#79312: Jan 24th 2018 at 7:32:27 PM

But it does feel like the shows aren't referencing the films as much anymore. I wonder if it's kosher film-rights-wise for the Netflix shows to make mention of some weird stuff that went down in Queens and the weird new hero patrolling there?

Don't forget that the Netflix-verse is still a few years behind everything else. Spider-Man isn't active yet, SHIELD is still in hiding, and no one knows what Inhumans are.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#79313: Jan 24th 2018 at 7:36:29 PM

[up][up]&[up] That's right, $200 was a lot of money back in 2016. ([down]That's the joke.)

The plot of the next Defenders teamup, I'm calling it.

edited 24th Jan '18 7:39:22 PM by Unsung

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#79314: Jan 24th 2018 at 7:38:39 PM

[up]Nah, I meant back in the 70s/80s... Did the Netflix show also have a $200 plotline? I haven't seen it.

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#79315: Jan 24th 2018 at 8:40:45 PM

[up]If they haven't, they should totally do an episode like that in a later season. In fact...

LUKE CAGE, SEASON 3, EPISODE 2: "WHERE'S MY MONEY, HONEY?"

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#79316: Jan 24th 2018 at 8:52:17 PM

Beyond not using characters from the movies, the Netflix shows tend to avoid mentioning any movie characters by name. They don't stick to it 100% of the time, but I do recall "big green guy" being used as a euphenism for the Hulk mutliple times.

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#79317: Jan 24th 2018 at 8:53:21 PM

Luke Cage Season 2 preview.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#79318: Jan 24th 2018 at 8:54:48 PM

It's mostly Jessica who does that. Daredevil doesn't mention them, being very insular, Danny wouldn't know who they were at first, and Luke Cage has no problem mentioning them, going so far as to use Hammertech as at least two major plot points, depending on how you count them.

And it makes sense for Jessica. She knows their names. She's just being snide.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#79319: Jan 24th 2018 at 9:25:03 PM

The only instance where it was really jarring was Jessica calling Captain America "the flag waver." "Big green guy" is something I could reasonably buy people calling the Hulk, but "flag waver" is just as stupid as "Captain America."

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#79320: Jan 24th 2018 at 10:38:38 PM

LUKE CAGE, SEASON 3, EPISODE 2: "WHERE'S MY MONEY, HONEY?"

Personally, I'd have gone with "Doom Better Have My Money"

edited 24th Jan '18 10:38:57 PM by windleopard

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#79321: Jan 25th 2018 at 9:22:29 AM

Black Panther has his own car commercial now.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#79322: Jan 25th 2018 at 10:31:22 AM

Joan Whalley joins Daredevil season 3 [1] Sister Maggie?

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#79323: Jan 25th 2018 at 10:34:31 AM

According to the article, yes. Interesting.

edited 25th Jan '18 10:34:52 AM by Unsung

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#79325: Jan 25th 2018 at 11:29:55 AM

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