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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Still, surely Ghost Rider would've been better off in a movie than in a few TV show episodes.
Join the Five-Man Band cleanup project!Shouldn't be surprised considering the source, but okay, I am game....let's get through the list:
6. Jeph Loeb Has No Idea What He's Doing
So, the reasoning here is that he isn't the best in public appearances, his work on the ultimate verse, hiring Scott Buck as Showrunner for Inhumans and that the Marvel shows are inconsistent in terms of quality.
His (yes, pretty abysmal) talents for public appearances have little to do with his abilities as show runner and whatever he did to the ultimate verse might be tangible related, but that's not quite the same job, either. I wouldn't blame him for Inhumans, though, because that was Perlmutter's pet project, it is hard to tell who decided what (which is why I will just ignore every point brought up concerning Inhumans). Outside he hasn't delivered a single outright bomb...some shows were weaker than others, but that is normal. Not even Feige has a home-run every single time(*cough* Thor TDW *cough*).
5. Terrible Costumes
Not sure what kind of issue the writer has with Deadlocks costume. In general, there are a few I don't like, and there are some I do like. Luke Cage's hoody look for example, Jessica Jones by now iconic scarf, Peggy Carter's whole outfit (which has been a stable at conventions since she has been introduced). Daisy, Bobby, The Patriot, The Ghost-Rider (especially that Jacket), there has been it's share of memorable out-fits even though most of the heroes don't even wear a costume in the first place. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
4. The Divide between Marvel TV and Marvel studios
Okay, that is another round of whining that the TV characters don't appear in the movies which, honestly, kind of goes against the title of the article. Because why should they appear if the TV shows are really that bad?
I'll say something most likely very unpopular: Would I have liked to the Agents of Shield being somewhere in the background on the helicarrier in Age of Ultron. Hell yes! Do I think that an outright crossover is a good idea? Hell no! One of the strength of the MCU is that so much in it is optional. So let's not make it more complicated than it has to be.
3. Wasting Good Ideas on Television
I think that Feige is very careful what he greenlights for TV, and I don't feel that Ghost rider was wasted on TV at all. Honestly, the characters lends itself way better for a TV show than a movie. There is only so much one can do in movies, it is great that some of the smaller stories can be told on TV. Plus, especially Ao S is really good in dragging really obscure comic book characters up and turning them into something interesting.
2. They are spreading themselves too thinly
Can't agree there. And it is especially ridiculous to claim DC as the one doing it better considering that DC has currently not just more but also in general shows with more episodes on air.
1. The stories don't matter
Yes, they do matter. They won't change the whole universe, but that is the point, they exist so that we can explore a corner of the universe. Plus, this is basically a repeat of an earlier point from a slightly other angle.
Honestly, there is nothing of substance in this...it is a long tirade about the TV shows, but instead of explaining how they impact the MCU negatively, it is actually about the TV show not impacting the movies enough.
I have a question - how exactly do you have the stories "matter" without making the casual moviegoer feel obligated to watch several hours of television for a show they might not be all that interested in watching?
Oh God! Natural light!
You can't. Which is exactly why it is smart of Marvel to allow the casual movie goer the choice. But for the ones who want to delve deep into the background, they do matter, because they are another part of the puzzle. Kind of like a Mosaic picture. Each Mosaic is beautiful in itself, but together they offer a little bit more.
edited 24th Jan '18 3:27:58 PM by Swanpride
You could have them matter. One thing I wish they'd done is reference things like the Inhuman boom when explaining why the Accords were necessary. Or they could cite Kilgrave when talking about people how Bucky was being controlled. They don't have to mention names. Just an offhand reference about superpowers being triggered in people through contaminated fish oil or a man controlling people with his voice would be enough.
I know that some do, but not all of them. For example, people knew who Captain America was in the 1940s (just like IRL), but nobody knew who Spider-Man was until 2016.
Join the Five-Man Band cleanup project!There have been Ghost Rider movies, to mixed success
Which is to say they're terrible save a few good moments but people have the oddest preoccupation with Nick Cage
Forever liveblogging the AvengersAbout the only thing I agree with in that article is that Diamondback's costume was really embarassing. My brother and I laughed out loud for an entire minute because we couldn't believe they actually greenlit something that silly-looking.
The rest is mostly nothingburger nonsense. The fact that the TV shows don't matter to the movies is irrelevant when a number of them actually have better storytelling and more ambitious themes than many of the MCU movies. At this point I easily care more about the Netflixverse than anything going on the films.

It's not being anal to point out that things that are literally against the rules are against the rules.
Like, we actually have a term for that: "Link-Discuss".
edited 24th Jan '18 2:49:42 PM by TobiasDrake
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