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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#79226: Jan 22nd 2018 at 6:11:38 PM

Shuri's so excited! It's cute. It's hard to gauge from a single short clip but I hope they don't overdo the Expospeak in the finished movie.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#79227: Jan 22nd 2018 at 6:31:23 PM

She's very cute. And yeah it reminded me of a video game tutorial a bit.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#79229: Jan 22nd 2018 at 7:53:40 PM

The Black Panther social media embargo lifts on Jan 29th 10pm while the review embargo lifts on Feb 6th 9 am[1]

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#79230: Jan 23rd 2018 at 2:48:05 AM

Huh, the wasps costume actually has bold colours in that promo art.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#79231: Jan 23rd 2018 at 3:50:06 AM

I also like the lines on the promo art much better than what they did with the actual costume.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#79232: Jan 23rd 2018 at 6:01:24 AM

Add another big award nom to the MCU cast. Congrats to Daniel Kaluuya on his Oscar nomination.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#79233: Jan 23rd 2018 at 6:28:32 AM

And Got G Vol 2 got nominated for best visual effects. But I have given up a long time ago that a MCU movie will actually win in this category. At this point they are pretty much a stable on the nomination list and always end up edged out by something else.

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#79234: Jan 23rd 2018 at 11:30:46 AM

That's because they're superhero films. A lot of the old white guys who make up the Oscar committee just see those as goofy schlock for kids and adults with the mentality of kids, not true art.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#79235: Jan 23rd 2018 at 12:01:45 PM

Rachel Harrison, the first woman to ever get a DP Oscar nom, also worked on Black Panther.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#79236: Jan 23rd 2018 at 2:09:45 PM

[up][up] We're talking about the technical Oscars, though. That's a whole different ball game.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#79237: Jan 23rd 2018 at 2:14:29 PM

Well, for the most part, the MCU movies are goofy schlock. Entertaining goofy schlock. That pretty well sums up the formula Marvel has perfected.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#79238: Jan 23rd 2018 at 2:27:48 PM

Sure, but in terms of visual effects, they are always top notch. Granted, picking Jungle book over Doctor Strange made sense, the former was more challenging while the latter was more creative. But in every other year Marvel was the equal contender.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#79239: Jan 23rd 2018 at 2:33:20 PM

Their effects are super-solid, but they kind of disappear into the background. Which is good, in a way, but they also kind of stick with the tried-and-true, they don't really do much in the way of pioneering.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#79240: Jan 23rd 2018 at 2:34:18 PM

Thor: Ragnarok should have gotten a nod for effects and for cinematography. Those wide shots of the Valkyrie and Thor descending onto the bridge... I can still picture those frames.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#79241: Jan 23rd 2018 at 2:38:41 PM

I guess this year was busy enough that Ragnarok got edged out— no double noms for Marvel this year. I imagine the clincher has to be Rocket, because I would give Ragnarok the nod for production design, even if I do like GOTG's used future aesthetic a little better.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#79242: Jan 23rd 2018 at 3:16:56 PM

[up][up][up] That is kind of the point of good visual effects...you are not supposed to notice them. Well, sometimes you do because you know that there isn't a living planet named ego, but in general the best effects are those which could be reality.

Plus, I wouldn't say that anything in Got G Vol 2 blends in...the whole movie pops.

[up] Rocket and Ego. And let's not forget Groot. But especially Rocket. I mean, they did the final shot on his face. You can only do that when your animated character is really convincing (which Rocket is, honestly, if Planet of the Apes wins this over Got G, I'll scream!).

edited 23rd Jan '18 3:19:01 PM by Swanpride

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#79243: Jan 23rd 2018 at 3:24:22 PM

Good special effects should help sustain the overall illusion. I wouldn't say you shouldn't notice them at all, though. But that's why it's good, in a way, that they're so confident about it. You get things like Ragnarok, with its candy-coloured Kirby homage, and the more incidental ship designs of GOTG, which I only wish we could've spent more time on, occasionally.

I loved GOTG 2, don't get me wrong, but Black Panther's the one I'm really looking out for in terms of design.

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#79244: Jan 23rd 2018 at 3:38:19 PM

I’ll need to find the source again, but apparently an entirely new form of lighting was invented for Ragnarok’s Valkyrie flashback.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#79245: Jan 23rd 2018 at 3:44:45 PM

[up] Most inventions in this area are made by Disney, especially now that they have both Lucasfilm and Pixar under their umbrella. They have the best in the business and always push forward...with the notable exception of the period between 1967 and 1980. They went a little bit lazy after Walt Disney died.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#79246: Jan 23rd 2018 at 5:00:04 PM

[up][up] Was it really? That's interesting. I heard it was adapted from a technique Waititi had used for his previous movies.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#79247: Jan 23rd 2018 at 6:37:21 PM

Found it. Basically they invented a way of "bullet time" photography similar to The Matrix but more advanced, because the light is seemingly moving at normal speeds onscreen while the actors are slowed down. So the dynamic lighting had to move hundreds of times faster than normal in the span of a few seconds.

(Sound is horrible, but seriously, look at the lighting.)

edited 23rd Jan '18 6:37:45 PM by Tuckerscreator

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#79248: Jan 23rd 2018 at 6:39:33 PM

The lighting in that scene is seriously great.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#79249: Jan 23rd 2018 at 7:46:46 PM

I’m gonna watch that scene for like an hour on repeat when the movie comes out. That and Thor landing on Bifrost wreathed in lightning.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#79250: Jan 24th 2018 at 12:24:12 AM

Wow, how much of that was practical versus retouched? Because yeah, that seriously did deserve more of a nod for doing something we hadn't seen before.


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