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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#79176: Jan 20th 2018 at 5:51:47 PM

Does anyone else think that a Young Avengers movie is getting set up for Phase Four? There are some clues explained below that lend to this idea.

I hope so, but I don't think they've specifically been laying clues about it. They do, however, have the open options to do something like that a few years down the line if they want to, since they have a several possibilities for young characters that could be put to better use later if they want to.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#79177: Jan 20th 2018 at 6:40:27 PM

There's Cassie Lang who should be a teen in a few years. If Vision really dies in Infinity War or A4 then you have the door open for Teen Vision. We haven't seen a hint of Patriot yet but I feel he wouldn't be too difficult to work in. And with the Captain Marvel movie having the Skrulls and Mar-Vell, you now potentially have the door open for Hulking as well, especially since it's a period piece (meaning his age would be less inexplicable if they still went with the frozen sperm angle.)

The only big problems are Wiccan and Speed, really, unless time travel is used to explain how Wanda and Vision could have a pair of teenage sons.

edited 20th Jan '18 6:41:01 PM by comicwriter

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#79178: Jan 20th 2018 at 7:29:48 PM

Reality Stone possibly

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#79179: Jan 21st 2018 at 1:27:49 AM

Young Avengers is certainly on the list of possible movies for Phase 4 but I wouldn't expect them at the very beginning and they might not turn up before Phase 5.

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#79181: Jan 21st 2018 at 2:29:11 AM

[up] Greato-daze!grin

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#79182: Jan 21st 2018 at 3:09:19 AM

I certainly hope so, its about time.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#79183: Jan 21st 2018 at 9:21:20 AM

Source is the Daily Mail. So....don't get excited just now.

I'll say this though: The main reason why there hasn't been one yet was Perlmutter. And when Feige got free reign, the schedule was already set up to 2019. It isn't unlikely that he put her movie on the top of his agenda.

Plus, it would make sense to prepare her movie and Got G Vol 3 for 2020, if Marvel intends to hide as much as possible about Avengers 4. After all, there might be deaths.

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#79184: Jan 21st 2018 at 9:59:40 AM

I knew it was coming. I didn't realize it was coming so soon.

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#79185: Jan 21st 2018 at 10:23:39 AM

Guess this officially deconfirms the theory that all the Original 6 Avengers are dying in Avengers 4.

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#79186: Jan 21st 2018 at 10:34:55 AM

Yeah, but that was a ridiculous theory anyway.

There are certain ideas that get latched onto by the fandom about upcoming films and then passed around until they become presumed facts, right up until news starts emerging to Joss them. I still remember years ago when everyone knew the second Avengers film was going to be about the Masters of Evil.

Even after Ultron was announced, holdouts were still insisting that it was going to be about Ultron assembling the Masters of Evil!

"Avengers 4 is going to kill off all the characters and cosmically reboot the entire Marvel Universe to create a fresh slate where none of the previous films matter anymore" is one of those ideas.

edited 21st Jan '18 10:36:19 AM by TobiasDrake

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#79187: Jan 21st 2018 at 10:55:38 AM

I still think that the masters of evil would have been a better Avengers 2 plot.

Young Avengers would be flipping great, but I'm not sure the world building is in place for it to be phase 4. At the begining of Phase 5 sure, but if the focus on phase 4 is going to be a strange new world/avengers team, then the tone would feel wrong to have something so forward thinking as an endorced team of teen heroes.

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#79188: Jan 21st 2018 at 10:56:56 AM

[up][up][up] Unless it's a prequel.

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#79189: Jan 21st 2018 at 10:58:03 AM

And even if they do die, there's every possibility that it'd be undone with the Infinity Gauntlet once Thanos is defeated. That's basically what happened in the comics after all.

But most likely some will die, and some will stay but perhaps take on smaller supporting roles post-IW. For example, maybe Chris Hemsworth keeps playing Thor, but he's now King of Asgard so he wont be doing as much day to day superheroing (which frees up a slot for say, Valkyrie, to take his place as an Avenger). And some (most likely the newer additions) will step up to be the new "Faces" of the MCU.

And if they're not immediately going to start building some big mega-arc (like they have with Thanos), then it frees them up to perhaps experiment with some smaller/different kinds of films (like BW).

Also if Scarlett is thinking about leaving, then it'd be kind of fitting if her swan song as this character is her finally getting her own film.

Really we have no idea what their plans for Phase 4 or whatever they end up calling it is, other than Feige saying that it will be "different."

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#79190: Jan 21st 2018 at 11:14:18 AM

And if they're not immediately going to start building some big mega-arc (like they have with Thanos), then it frees them up to perhaps experiment with some smaller/different kinds of films (like BW).

The Thanos "mega-arc" hasn't really affected the content of the MCU movies.

Well, he's important to the background of some characters in the Guardians of the Galaxy movies, and is The Man Behind the Man in The Avengers, but other than that, the only impact his storyline has had so far is that, when a film features a superpowerful MacGuffin or plot device, someone will refer to it as an Infinity Stone. Take Thanos and the Infinity Stones out of the picture, and most MCU movies would only have to change a line or two of dialogue (if that) and cut out a mid-credits sequence.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#79191: Jan 21st 2018 at 11:18:06 AM

True, but you also have the argument that every one of these films needs to "affect the MCU" or "add something" in some way. And the question is, do they all need to do that? How about just make a good/enjoyable movie and that being enough?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#79192: Jan 21st 2018 at 11:33:04 AM

Scarlett Johansson just recently said that a Black Widow movie would fit with the new direction Marvel is going after Avengers 4 and Kevin Feige said something extremely similar, which makes me think they are indeed going to move away from Myth Arcs for the time being.

The only thing I could see them doing is throwing in hints for an eventual Secret Invasion movie.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#79193: Jan 21st 2018 at 11:51:45 AM

I'll be disappointed if all of the central Avengers (Cap, Stark and Thor) survive the Infinity War movies. The idea of Thanos as a massive, nigh-unbeatable threat just doesn't hold up if over a dozen superheroes fight him and they all survive. And Marvel's not going to kill off anyone they've just introduced (e.g., Strange, Spidey) because that's a waste of an origin story movie.

Killing off Stark seems like the best choice, because RDJ is only going to stick around for so long, and isn't getting any younger (and is expensive), and Stark's story feels at a point where it's ready to end. Cap is also an option because Evans seems to be getting a bit tired of the role, and it opens up new stories about someone else (Falcon or Bucky) trying to fill his shoes,

edited 21st Jan '18 11:53:43 AM by Galadriel

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#79194: Jan 21st 2018 at 12:29:45 PM

I strongly believe we're losing one of the founding six. Widow is obviously out if she's being considered for her own movie, but I think Iron Man is the most obvious. Some of the recent developments for the character strongly lead me to believe that's where his arc is headed.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#79195: Jan 21st 2018 at 12:35:34 PM

I could also see it being Cap (that'd probably be the most shocking and there's also the "need to carry on without the leader" thing potentially).

ManOfSin Since: Mar, 2015
#79196: Jan 21st 2018 at 12:53:31 PM

Chris Evans has stated that he wants to keep playing Cap.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#79197: Jan 21st 2018 at 12:57:25 PM

The interesting thing is that, if we take Feige's comment about movies post-Phase 3 taking place in different times to its logical conclusion, then whether an actor wants to continue with the character or not won't affect whether the character dies.

Case in point, with the Fox acquisition incoming, we could get another wartime Captain America movie that not only gives more focus to Cap and Bucky's dynamic with the Howling Commandoes, but could also feature an appearance from Wolverine.

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#79198: Jan 21st 2018 at 1:02:32 PM

Make it Wolverine and child Magneto.

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#79200: Jan 21st 2018 at 1:35:20 PM

I wonder what that'll mean for Kamala Khan's origin if she gets a movie.


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