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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#78976: Jan 11th 2018 at 12:37:05 PM

I could see a story set in the modern day with a villain who was related to one of the people Black Widow had to kill, hell, have the villain literally be that daughter from that story! The flashbacks would just be a natural product of Natasha's past coming back to haunt her.

edited 12th Jan '18 12:50:05 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#78977: Jan 11th 2018 at 1:31:16 PM

Another entirely joking idea: someone uses the Time or Soul Stone during the darkest hour, and we get every single character who died so the main characters can learn lessons or be better people or whatever. Like, Yinsen, Erskine, Peggy, Peter Quill's mom, Uncle Ben, Odin and/or Frigga, T'Chaka, Mar'Vell probably, and the Ancient One all show up drinking coffee and delivering a trite "go get em" speech or something,

You unstrike that right fucking now dammit! Darkest hour, Peter gets his hands on the Time or Soul Stone somehow, and bam! Out comes Uncle Ben, played by nine other than Toby Maguire. After all, what better time for a “with great power comes great responsibility” speech than when presented with the power of a god? I need these feels, dammit!

Alternately, go with the normally impossible cameo idea and give Chris Evans a F4 suit

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#78978: Jan 11th 2018 at 1:39:51 PM

[up][up]That would be the ideal way to do it, IMO. The more recent Black Widow series in recent years will usually be set in the present but with liberal flashbacks to her past.

The structure of Deadpool could conceivably serve as a template for a Black Widow movie: starting in the present, before flashing back back to relevant parts of her origin.

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#78979: Jan 11th 2018 at 1:48:59 PM

[up][up]Oh my god, I never realized how much I needed to see Chris Evans Cap face off with Chris Evans Johnny Storm.

Please, tell me there’s fan art. I need this so much.

edited 11th Jan '18 1:49:18 PM by wisewillow

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#78980: Jan 11th 2018 at 1:55:34 PM

Reminds me of the Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon where Johnny got indignant that Skrull Rogers didn't recognize him

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#78981: Jan 11th 2018 at 2:40:49 PM

Having someone or something from her past catch up with Natasha would work to a degree but I am honest here, I would prefer a story which also moves the plot forward, not just a character piece. character pieces are fine when you introduce a character, but at this point it would feel like just piling on more. I am not against the occasional flashback, but it shouldn't be the purpose of the story.

My favourite idea is that Marvel does the secret invasion storyline and Natasha goes on a mission which leads to her discovering what is going on. Because that is the perfect role for her.

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#78983: Jan 11th 2018 at 4:23:29 PM

Amazing.

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#78984: Jan 11th 2018 at 4:54:04 PM

Having someone or something from her past catch up with Natasha would work to a degree but I am honest here, I would prefer a story which also moves the plot forward, not just a character piece.

You're almost certainly not going to get that from Widow regardless, even if it takes place in the present. The only characters who move "the plot" of the MCU forward are the ones connected to whatever the next big crossover event is, which has always meant Tony, Steve and Thor, and now includes the other cosmic characters as we move into a cosmic climax.

Everyone else has movies that primarily explore their personal mythos first, if not almost entirely (as with Ant-Man and Strange, and Black Panther looks to be heavily isolated - as it should be - as well) and Widow isn't likely to be the character to break that trend. As a protagonist, she arguably works best with something comparatively out of focus, because much about her character is in working behind the scenes.

edited 11th Jan '18 4:55:25 PM by KnownUnknown

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#78985: Jan 11th 2018 at 5:06:29 PM

I actually think having her track/foreshadow the skrull invasion would be genius.

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#78986: Jan 11th 2018 at 5:09:17 PM

If they were going to do a "secret agent vs Skrull imposters" story, Jessica Drew makes a bit more sense.

edited 11th Jan '18 5:09:49 PM by KnownUnknown

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#78987: Jan 11th 2018 at 6:12:12 PM

[up] Why? Black Widow is an established character. Plus, I don't think that Marvel wants to touch Jessica Drew. That could really damage their relationship with Sony.

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#78988: Jan 11th 2018 at 6:17:13 PM

Who is the hand gripping the platform Thanos is standing on for that cake?

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#78990: Jan 11th 2018 at 6:25:36 PM

The one in front looks like Black Widow

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#78991: Jan 11th 2018 at 6:57:17 PM

One in front is Widow, the one on the far left (with the claw) is Black Panther. I have no idea who the red hand in the middle is. Red Hulk? Mephisto? Devil Dinosaur not skipping arm day at the gym?

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#78992: Jan 11th 2018 at 7:01:51 PM

Cap?

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#78993: Jan 11th 2018 at 7:02:21 PM

Why? Black Widow is an established character. Plus, I don't think that Marvel wants to touch Jessica Drew. That could really damage their relationship with Sony.

Sony doesn't have purview over Jessica Drew. It was revealed a while back that they are perfectly free to use Jessica as long as they don't use the Spider-Woman name (same with Julia Carpenter and Madame Webb).

As for the "why," because Jessica Drew has history with the Skrulls they can adapt, even if they don't adapt that history she still has a connection they can use for the plans they're currently undertaking via her friendship with Captain Marvel, and is ability and power-wise more equipped to carry an alien invasion storyline in general.

For Widow, it's much preferable to use her to explore the terrestrial side of Marvel, especially given that going forward they're have basically nobody doing that in general. As the MCU's most textbook spy character by far, it's the kind of genre only really she can explore and it'd frankly be a waste not to. Cap was their go-to for that sort of thing before now and his trilogy is over: the closest they have now is Ant-Man, whose series is intentionally covers a far smaller corner (no pun intended) than any of the others.

edited 11th Jan '18 7:06:26 PM by KnownUnknown

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#78994: Jan 11th 2018 at 7:03:53 PM

I think the red hand is Captain Marvel.

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#78996: Jan 11th 2018 at 8:08:05 PM

Eh. Before this he was a purple dude in gym clothes and a single bejeweled glove. You had to take a step back to believe that was menacing to begin with. But this does put a smile on my face.

edited 11th Jan '18 8:08:49 PM by Unsung

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#78997: Jan 12th 2018 at 12:56:31 AM

I think the red hand is Captain Marvel and the greenish hand is Hulk.

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#78998: Jan 12th 2018 at 8:02:15 AM

Why the heck does everyone expect the BW movie to be a dark origin movie? The writer they are interested in to make the script wrote the Olaf's Adventure short for fuck sake. It's likely going the comedy direction.

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#79000: Jan 12th 2018 at 8:11:52 AM

An interesting way to incorporate the X-Men rights

Building up to Champions against everyone's better judgment maybe

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