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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#78926: Jan 10th 2018 at 10:43:50 AM

[up][up] Avengers Power Rangers crossover when?

Just Makima.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#78927: Jan 10th 2018 at 10:46:27 AM

Its too late.

They already crossed over with Justice League

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#78928: Jan 10th 2018 at 11:05:42 AM

And it fucking ruled.

My various fanfics.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#78929: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:21:48 PM

I don't think that this is nitpicky, just like making the distinction between Western Animation and Anime isn't nitpicky. It's a different tradition which operates under different rules.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#78930: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:44:27 PM

They literally use the term themselves to describe it. They're superheroes.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#78931: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:49:12 PM

[up] And Anime is basically just another term for animation. It still has a slightly different context and tradition.

Plus, if they had considered some movies they overlooked, I don't think that Power Rangers would have (or should have) made the list anyway.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#78932: Jan 10th 2018 at 1:14:07 PM

If I said animation as a blanket term I don't think anyone would be upset about both western and Japanese works falling under that umbrella. Just recently I asked for recs for good animated movies and was recced both Coco and Your Name.

In that same way Power Rangers being called superheroes is magically inaccurate just because it's based on Japanese source material. Source material that, as mentioned, explicitly calls them superheroes.

edited 10th Jan '18 1:18:00 PM by comicwriter

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#78933: Jan 10th 2018 at 1:15:58 PM

Sentai teams are Japanese superheroes. Why is this even debatable?

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#78934: Jan 10th 2018 at 1:22:25 PM

If I ask someone what their favorite anime is, and they tell me it’s a Disney movie, that is clearly not the information I requested. Genre is not defined in clear-cut ways all the time.

edited 10th Jan '18 1:24:02 PM by wisewillow

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#78935: Jan 10th 2018 at 2:13:54 PM

I've mentioned this before, but I think people use the word "superhero" in too narrow a fashion. I'd personally throw characters like the Men in Black or the Terminator into the mix.

edited 10th Jan '18 2:14:10 PM by RavenWilder

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#78936: Jan 10th 2018 at 2:46:45 PM

ok, but if you use Superhero as a blanket term and not specifically for American Comic book based movies, there are a TON of additional movies which also had to be considered for the list and weren't. So what makes Power Ranger's special? If Collider adds movies like Power Rangers (or V for Vendetta or The Crow) into their list, it should also consider movies like Man in Black, Ghostbusters, all the Sailor Moon movies (which were theatrically released, just not in the US) along with a number of other movies based on Japanese Hero lore. So either you narrow the list down properly, which would mean to leave The Power Rangers off, or you have to honour a number of movies which were just ignored exactly because they don't fall into typical Superhero comic book tropes.

edited 10th Jan '18 2:50:20 PM by Swanpride

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#78937: Jan 10th 2018 at 3:11:03 PM

[up] The Crow is one of the best superhero movies of all time.

That's my two cents to this conversation.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#78938: Jan 10th 2018 at 3:16:43 PM

So it's the Top 50 American Superhero Movies, then. I can live with that. Sentai do totally count as superheroes, but that probably wouldn't be a list most of Collider's audience have seen.

Power Rangers (2017) is already on there, though (#49), so this argument seems kind of moot.

edited 10th Jan '18 3:42:22 PM by Unsung

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#78939: Jan 10th 2018 at 3:19:15 PM

Umberto Gonzalez from The Wrap is reporting that Jac Schaeffer has been hired to pen a script for a Black Widow movie [1]

edited 10th Jan '18 3:23:15 PM by ComicFan

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#78940: Jan 10th 2018 at 3:27:16 PM

Looking at Collider's list now, the utterly vacuous and worthless The Incredible Hulk is on there but not Ang Lee's infinitely superior film.

Man of Steel, Watchmen and The Crow are all below Age of Ultron.

Sin City is nowhere to be seen.

0/10, needs less Marvel bias.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#78941: Jan 10th 2018 at 3:28:06 PM

Clearly Marvel payed off the people who made the list.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#78942: Jan 10th 2018 at 3:30:29 PM

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by poor taste.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#78943: Jan 10th 2018 at 3:33:22 PM

This list needs more Hellboy. I know there are only two movies and they're both on there, but even so.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#78944: Jan 10th 2018 at 3:40:55 PM

So either you narrow the list down properly, which would mean to leave The Power Rangers off.

Not really. Or at least not in the way you're framing it. If the list is even specifically about American superhero movies (which it seems to be), Power Rangers is still an American superhero movie. It just happens to be based on a Japanese superhero property.

Anyway, movement on the Black Widow movie is interesting. I wonder if they'd have Yelena Belova as the villain if the film is actually made. We need more badass lady villains.

edited 10th Jan '18 3:46:27 PM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#78945: Jan 10th 2018 at 5:20:13 PM

I won't celebrate until it is officially announced. The idea of a Black Widow movie has floating around for ages after all.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#78946: Jan 10th 2018 at 6:35:19 PM

If they do make it, I'd prefer if it was a prequel. Mostly because I'd want it to be a straight up spy movie, and it's a bit hard to sell Widow as a secret agent thwarting evil from beneath the public's notice now that she's quite possibly one of the most popular and recognizable people in the Marvel Universe.

Random people walking down the street can glance at Natasha's face and go "OMG, it's an (ex)Avenger" which throws a wrench into the whole "keeping secret" thing.

Besides, I'd love some more worldbuilding for the point before Tony made his mark. We're already getting a little of it from Captain Marvel, but imagine if, say, Jessica Drew (my other number one pick for if Marvel ever does a "superhero secret agent" movie) as a supporting character in both Captain Marvel and the Widow movie?

edited 10th Jan '18 6:43:12 PM by KnownUnknown

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#78947: Jan 10th 2018 at 6:38:31 PM

I want it to be a prequel that details how she met Clint.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#78948: Jan 10th 2018 at 6:45:23 PM

What the frick frack went down in Budapest?!

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#78949: Jan 10th 2018 at 6:50:35 PM

wild mass guessThe movie starts with them returning from Budapest, with Clint saying "boy, that was amazing! Let us never speak of this again."wild mass guess

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#78950: Jan 10th 2018 at 7:17:13 PM

[up]I would support this completely.


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