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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#78901: Jan 9th 2018 at 5:05:33 AM

Is it me or do the colors look more washed out and flattened in that TV spot than usual? I hope it's not representative of the final product, because I liked the eye-popping palette of the previous trailers.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#78902: Jan 9th 2018 at 5:32:45 AM

The official trailer from a couple of months back is, I think, incrementally darker, so the contrasts were stronger. Nice catch.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#78903: Jan 9th 2018 at 6:55:52 AM

So....I finished watching Runaways season 1.....here some general thoughts.

I went into the show knowing nothing about the comic except the basic premise: Bunch of rich kids run away after they discover that their parents are villains and develop some powers along the way. Sounded interesting enough. So, I really didn't have that much expectations overall, nor any prior ideas how the characters should be like.

Having seen the first season....I feel kind of let down. The show just moves too slow, way too slow, the fight scenes are kind of painful, with characters standing around doing essentially nothing, while others randomly shot out their respective powers, and while the kids are colourful, I am not that invested in them. If anything I got less invested the more the story continues, because they seemed to be layered in the beginning, but the show does little to explore those layers. And it is not just that it focusses so much on the parents, but that is I guess part of the problem, since this focus is doing both the kids and the parents a disservice....the kids, because they are often shoved aside and the parents because they come off as less evil and more like a bunch of idiots. And that is not the premise which was sold to me. I wanted them to be evil - not necessarily evil enough to be ready to kill their children, but I certainly wasn't prepared with the show spending so much time on excusing their actions.

Also, the romance in the show is terrible written.

There is one thing I really love, and that is the opening. Yeah, I know. But it is wonderfully creepy without using images which are usually associated with being creepy.

Overall the show is pretty meh...I am perhaps a little bit harder on it than I should because I expected more from the adaptation of such a highly praised comic book. Now I am wondering if the comic book is overpraised or the show just hasn't gotten to the good parts yet. After 10 episodes.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#78904: Jan 9th 2018 at 3:12:40 PM

Yeah, just got done with Runaways too...look, it's not bad. It's not the best, it's weighed down by some dumb writing choices and bad pacing, but it's not bad. Frankly though the highest points in there aren't exactly that high, and the show is one of the weakest MCU offerings. Hell I keep forgetting it's even supposed to be a part of the MCU, it feels about as disconnected as The Punisher series. I'm still gonna watch Season 2 but they better step up on this because there's a good show in here that's trying to break out.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#78905: Jan 9th 2018 at 3:56:06 PM

Swan: I call threat to not just to the plan of the villian but HOW it show it, ultron and stroker have a low level threat because the show dosent really dwell into it like Loki or Pierce, Im taking that sense of urgency or "shit is going down" that I didnt feel on ego thanks to soverain show in up.

But anyway maybe I should talk about this in your blog or pM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#78906: Jan 9th 2018 at 5:49:47 PM

[up] Yeah...I haven't finished Ultron's article yet, but he will actually score pretty low in this particular category.

I guess you mean that the sovereign need to show up and interrupt the Got G, thus kind of rescuing Ego? Yeah, I considered that, but the reason why they even get the chance is Mantis. Without her, they wouldn't have had any chance from the get go.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#78907: Jan 9th 2018 at 5:57:52 PM

Okay so this is relevant here: https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/09/marvel-creator-stan-lee-accused-of-groping-harassing-nurses/

Stan Lee has been accused of groping and harassing several of his nurses. It's...honestly quite disturbing.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#78908: Jan 9th 2018 at 6:03:09 PM

The fact that the other company claims they have no issues with him is curious but he could just be playing it safer now. I'm going to wait for more info before passing judgement.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#78909: Jan 9th 2018 at 6:05:12 PM

Yeah. I heard about that on the Marvel comics thread.

It's apparently by some dudes from the Daily Mail, and they may not be totally legit.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#78910: Jan 9th 2018 at 6:22:09 PM

I'll take whatever good news I can get.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#78911: Jan 9th 2018 at 6:47:04 PM

I won't dismiss it out of hand, but I don't really buy it.

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J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#78912: Jan 9th 2018 at 7:23:43 PM

Is there any possible way that Wonder Man could fit into the MCU? I always thought he was an interesting character.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#78913: Jan 9th 2018 at 8:12:08 PM

If they ever do anything set in the future he'd be an obvious choice

He does man out of time almost better than Steve

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#78914: Jan 10th 2018 at 2:56:07 AM

I dismiss it out of hand due to the source. If a reputable newspaper decides to run the story, then I'll pay attention to it. Until then, I consider it a nasty Daily Mail smear campaign which may or may not have the background of wanting to make other, more believable accusations, look like they are part of a witch hunt.

[up] They are already doing something set in the future. The question is if they will go there with their movies.

edited 10th Jan '18 2:58:19 AM by Swanpride

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#78915: Jan 10th 2018 at 5:30:05 AM

Looks like they have fun on the set of Agents of Shield again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9s9xxAIeQQ

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#78916: Jan 10th 2018 at 6:31:10 AM

Well Nathan Fillion was gonna cameo sort of (on some posters) as Simon Williams in Guardians 2, but the scene with the theater posters was cut.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#78917: Jan 10th 2018 at 6:58:05 AM

Black Panther beats Civil War in advance ticket sales [1]

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#78918: Jan 10th 2018 at 9:13:07 AM

So, Collider added the last MCU movie to their Top 50 Superhero list (and we all know that Logan will get place 2 and The Dark Knight the Top spot, right? As if there was ever any doubt that The Dark Knight would win this thing, considering who the voters were). Their MCU Ranking is basically now:

16. IM 2 (didn't make it)

15. Thor 2 (48)

14. IM 3 (46)

13.The Incredible Hulk (44)

12. Doctor Strange (39)

11. GOTG 2 (37)

10. Ultron (33)

9. Thor (27)

8. Cap 1 (26)

7. Ant-Man (25)

6. Spider-Man homecoming (13)

5. GOTG (12)

4. Iron Man (9)

3. The Winter Soldier (5)

2. Avengers (4)

1. Civil War (3)

Here some general thoughts about the list: I had a lot of issues with what was considered a Superhero movie and what wasn't even considered. Power Rangers is in no reality whatsoever a Superhero movie. The Crow is based on a comic book, but I wouldn't call him a Superhero either. Just like V for Vendetta it falls more in the Graphic Novel category (hell, the point of those characters are that they are NOT Superheroes). Though I guess I wouldn't have minded if the last two had been considered if Batman 1966 and above all Mask of the Phantasm weren't both conspicuously absent from the list. Both of those movies were theatrically released, and they both present a form of Comic book based movie which is criminally underrepresented on the list.

I also consider the voting itself not consistent enough...I get it, that happens when you just ask random people to weight in, but there was an obvious problem with the difference between a historically important movie and a good movie. A lot of movies got bonus points for being "historically important" which would have been okay if they had been consistent about it, but it lead to some movies which were both good an historically important being at disadvantage and soring lower than they should. (For example if you weight in historical importance, The Avengers would have blown the others automatically out of the water, for being the biggest game changer of all of them). I guess it would have helped if they had specifically requested to judge on quality alone, or having a separate score for the historical impact.

And then there is a problem with newer movies being, well, too new to be judged properly. The nostalgia bonus some of the older movies got was already questionable, but with newer movies, I feel that you need some time to truly let them sink in. I don't think that either Logan or Wonder Woman will score quite as high in a few years, and Got G Vol. 2 ended up criminally underrated (no way Age of Ultron is better and it at least belonged in the to 20, not top 40).

Happy that The First Avenger scored in the top 25. I would place it even higher, but hey, it is an improvement. Got G belongs in the top 10 at least (to be honest, I think that sequel is just as good if not better, but I guess that one needs a few years to be really appreciated the way it deserves).

edited 10th Jan '18 9:13:40 AM by Swanpride

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#78919: Jan 10th 2018 at 9:27:31 AM

Why isn't Power Rangers a superhero movie?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#78920: Jan 10th 2018 at 9:34:16 AM

[up] Because it falls more in the Japanese tradition of Super Sentai shows....you know, colour coded teams activating their powers with something at their wrist fighting some sort of invaders. It belongs more to the likes of Sailor Moon, Voltron aso.

When we talking about Superhero movies, we usually talk about the American Comic book tradition of Superheroes. Power Ranger not only follows the Super Sentai tradition, it even used footage from those shows. I could just as well claim that Asterix is a Superhero.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#78921: Jan 10th 2018 at 9:41:03 AM

Superpowers, costumes, secret identities some of the times

The Venn diagram is practically a circle

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#78922: Jan 10th 2018 at 9:43:40 AM

[up] Only if you leave out the colour coding, the overly long transformation scenes, the type of monsters fought and the whole structure of story telling.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#78923: Jan 10th 2018 at 9:54:37 AM

Feels like those are just the trappings

A genre that includes th guardians can stand some color coding

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#78924: Jan 10th 2018 at 9:59:13 AM

Yeah, no offense, but it's really nitpicky. Even the Japanese themselves refer to Sentai characters as superheroes.

The TV block that airs the Sentai shows is even called "Super Hero Time."

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#78925: Jan 10th 2018 at 10:40:52 AM

Age of Ultron and Ant Man got VERY generous rankings. I wouldn’t include Ultron at all, or I’d put it in the 40s. Ant Man was aggressively adequate/mediocre; it would be in the 20s-30s at best.


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