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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#78651: Jan 5th 2018 at 8:41:06 AM

One if the few thing I feel BVS did right was when doomsday show up, Batman just hide and run against him without the movie forcé him to do something awsome, I feel they need to do that aproach with Black widow and hawkeye rarher that put them in open field trying to catch up to the rest of the team.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#78652: Jan 5th 2018 at 8:46:15 AM

The level of technology is different but it's weird to say that Batman and Green Arrow have technology where Black Widow and Hawkeye do not since for a time they were being outfitted by SHIELD and then by Tony Stank

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#78653: Jan 5th 2018 at 8:47:32 AM

Batman and Widow I can get, but Green Arrow and Hawkeye have the exact same level of tech.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#78654: Jan 5th 2018 at 8:47:47 AM

[up][up][up] Which would have been okay if Batman had run to lead Doomsday away from the city instead of to it. Though it would have made even MORE sense if Superman and Wonder woman had fought them while Batman fetches the damned spear.

edited 5th Jan '18 8:48:18 AM by Swanpride

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#78655: Jan 5th 2018 at 8:49:41 AM

Wait, Green Arrow has a USB arrow?

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#78656: Jan 5th 2018 at 8:49:58 AM

Hawkeye’s Anti-Thanos arrow will be key in Infinity War.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#78657: Jan 5th 2018 at 8:51:06 AM

They will succeed where the Anti-Thanos missiles failed

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#78658: Jan 5th 2018 at 8:52:20 AM

Build an anti-Thanoscopter, the perfect bait and trap all in one.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#78659: Jan 5th 2018 at 8:56:09 AM

Ingenious

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#78660: Jan 5th 2018 at 9:02:47 AM

You'll need a wooden gun too,to trick hm

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#78661: Jan 5th 2018 at 9:05:27 AM

Swan: in his defense he let spear there and he didnt know were the spear have Been, asíde of stupid escene of lois drowing you can get idea.

Bocaj: in the cómic get weirder since Batman have tech that should make him a scary versión of ironman and yet he stick to weird gadjets for some reasons.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#78662: Jan 5th 2018 at 9:08:46 AM

[up] Well, when Batman was replaced by Azbats during Knightfall Azbats went the full on Iron Man route and when he and Batman had their big confrontation Batman specifically called him out on overrelying on his armament.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#78663: Jan 5th 2018 at 9:11:06 AM

The real reason is because Bruce has a sensitive chin.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#78664: Jan 5th 2018 at 9:37:53 AM

[up][up]for Bruce "over reliance on armaments" is synonymous with simply using them.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#78665: Jan 5th 2018 at 9:41:30 AM

Has there ever been an example of replacing a character with a dark and gritty version before a triumphant return of the original that made sense in its argument about why the original was best?

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#78666: Jan 5th 2018 at 9:42:03 AM

Well, by armaments I don't mean guns or anything since Azbats doesn't use them. Instead his top half is basically a giant bat-themed Iron Man suit including a shuriken launcher and a firesword.

[up] Well, Knightfall made sense, I think. Like, not onehundred percent perfect execution but it was clear that Bruce was better suited, mainly because he wasn't completely insane - or at least, not insane to the point of having hallucinations while on mission like Azbats.

edited 5th Jan '18 9:43:39 AM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#78667: Jan 5th 2018 at 9:51:00 AM

That does raise the question of why Bruce made him the successor instead of Dick.

Does that get addressed, I ask, wildly off topic

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#78668: Jan 5th 2018 at 10:15:20 AM

You know, since strange and Tony are so alike I imagine mágical foes confusing stephen for Tony.

Dormammu: I Have come for you!ñ

Tony:....who are you?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#78669: Jan 5th 2018 at 10:15:53 AM

I am so excited about Agents of Shield....one week hiatus and I am already suffering under withdrawal. Plus, this episode promises to be epic!

Can't wait for episode 100 either. It should be air in March, unless it gets delayed into April due to the Winter Olympics.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#78670: Jan 5th 2018 at 11:10:51 AM

That does raise the question of why Bruce made him the successor instead of Dick

Personal rather than practical reasons: it’s been a plot point for a while that Bruce believes very strongly that Dick should have his own life, and won’t burden him with his own mission unless he absolutely has to.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#78671: Jan 5th 2018 at 11:49:47 AM

I'm a bit unsure about a Black Widow film. I like her character and definitely would like to see more of her, but I feel like making her the center focus would be to her detriment. More than half the fun with her is how you never know just what angle she's playing or how many layers of deception she's on, and that's only really possible when she can be off-screen for periods of time and be reacted to by the focus character when she returns.

Like that scene in Winter Soldier where Cap leaves the Zola drive in a vending machine, then when he comes back it's missing and suddenly Black Widow outta nowhere, loudly chewing bubblegum. You can't do shit like that if she's the lead. Or the movie's Cold Open on the boat, where she sneaks off mid-mission to do a second mission that neither Cap nor the audience knew about. Or her replacing one of the World Council members. Man, Winter Soldier did lovely things with her character.

But then again, I had similar reservations about Punisher getting a Netflix series as the focus character instead of a dangerous force for other heroes to encounter, and that turned out to be an unfounded fear.

edited 5th Jan '18 11:54:01 AM by Anomalocaris20

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#78672: Jan 5th 2018 at 11:56:06 AM

The thing is, you can do that even with her as the lead. Plenty of other films have done it, and the spy genre lends itself even more to that idea than most anyway.

Also you get the whole "female James Bond" thing as someone mentioned earlier (complete with Natasha flirting her way through people). I'd like to see Yelena Belova as the villain myself.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#78673: Jan 5th 2018 at 12:01:58 PM

[up][up] In essence, you need to watch Atomic Blonde, which is exactly what you described (an asskicking nebulously morally defined female hero).

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#78674: Jan 5th 2018 at 12:04:58 PM

[up][up][up] This is pretty much why I would provide her with some back-up, so that we have character who can act surprise whenever she does something unexpected. It's not strictly necessary, though, there is no prerequisite whatsoever that the audience has to know what the hero is up to. Some of the best movies of all time (The Sting, Shawshank's redemption) have been build around the audience knowing less than the protagonist.

[up][up] Exactly. Plus, even outside of the Superhero genre, there aren't enough female spies out there. Female spies are usually portrayed as the femme fatale for the hero, not as the heroine.

edited 5th Jan '18 12:05:15 PM by Swanpride

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#78675: Jan 5th 2018 at 12:07:48 PM

Sherlock homes movies are a good example, they are plenty of moment were he look like losing only to reveal he have a plan for the star.

Also here moving Away is not diferent from Batman droping out of nowhere.

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