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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#78576: Jan 3rd 2018 at 7:30:19 PM

Maybe there’s a psychic at Marvel who had the foresight to get Nakia out of the way now that they can potentially put Storm in the sequel.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#78577: Jan 3rd 2018 at 7:36:43 PM

Except that they can't cast the same actress as two different characters, which is a major missed opportunity.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#78578: Jan 3rd 2018 at 7:40:16 PM

There are plenty of talented black actresses who could play Storm besides Lupita Nyong’o.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#78579: Jan 3rd 2018 at 7:52:06 PM

Mephisto also made out with Daredevil in a bar on Christmas once

Okay I have got to hear the story behind this.

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ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#78580: Jan 4th 2018 at 12:57:10 AM

I rather keep Black Panther and Storm away from each other. I didn't like the marriage in the comics and I don't want to see it on screen. If he has to get another love interest I rather see Monica and I don't even like her much.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#78581: Jan 4th 2018 at 1:09:50 AM

[up][up] Here you go

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ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#78582: Jan 4th 2018 at 7:27:20 AM

Song from Kendrick Lamar's upcoming Black Panther soundtrack.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#78585: Jan 4th 2018 at 3:35:08 PM

Gonna guess she's gonna be Monica Rambeau?

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ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#78586: Jan 4th 2018 at 3:40:03 PM

I hope she's not Monica because then she'll most likely end up being Carol’s sassy black best friend/sidekick.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#78587: Jan 4th 2018 at 3:43:37 PM

They avoided it with War Machine (although in the process making him kinda bland), and Falcon ended up having a lot of characterization despite being the humorous guy. Out of Carol's cast Rambeau would be a good choice for The Lancer since Spider-Woman doesn't seem like she's going to be adapted any time soon.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#78588: Jan 4th 2018 at 3:43:41 PM

[up][up]I mean, it’s possible that they could write Monica well.

edited 4th Jan '18 3:45:34 PM by wisewillow

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#78589: Jan 4th 2018 at 3:44:30 PM

Cool. Still would like to also see Jessica Drew as Carol's very close best friend. Basically though I'd like to have all of the Captain and Ms. Marvels. Except that one genocidal guy from the Cancerverse. Or were there two genocidal Captain Marvels?

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#78590: Jan 4th 2018 at 3:44:47 PM

I'd rather wait and see what they do. My bigger worry is that they'll just pull what they did with War Machine and make her kind of bland.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#78591: Jan 4th 2018 at 4:01:13 PM

How is War Machine bland to you people?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#78592: Jan 4th 2018 at 4:02:34 PM

It'd be interesting if she's Monica.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#78593: Jan 4th 2018 at 4:04:00 PM

[up][up]

I mean...what's a personality trait you can ascribe to him?

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#78594: Jan 4th 2018 at 4:08:03 PM

@Very Melon- What do you mean by you people? tongue Sorry. Couldn't resist.

Well I have to confess I've only seen the first Iron Man movie (which had a different actor) and know of Cheadle!War Machine from the other movies, but I think he's a fairly interesting character. Age of Ultron had this kind of amusing idea of him as this guy who would be a super-cool badass in any normal situation, but was positively mundane compared to the Avengers, who were like a collective Always Someone Better. And while I feel kind of bad about comparing Rhodey and Sam because of the implication they are filling equivalent Black Best Friend slots on the Civil War "Teams", I do think it's very well done in Civil War how their seemingly similar backgrounds as both African Americans and soldiers and African American soldiers result in diametrically different ideologies.

edited 4th Jan '18 4:08:28 PM by Hodor2

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#78595: Jan 4th 2018 at 4:17:18 PM

[up][up] He's more by the book than Tony is...but he's not so above it all on account of how even he thought "War Machine" is a cooler name than "Iron Patriot" or how he seizes a postman's honest mispronouncing of "Stark" to crack a joke at Tony's expense. ([nja])

RE: DeWanda Wise in Captain Marvel: yeah, I'll admit, my first reaction to this was "she's gonna be Monica Rambeau", but maybe it's too early to pounce like that.

Also, Captain Marvel is taking place in the 90's. If DeWanda is going to be Monica, how will they make it not awkward when Carol somehow gets put out of commission in time to show up in Avengers 4? Will she end up in the same weird situation as Carol?

edited 4th Jan '18 4:18:37 PM by TargetmasterJoe

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#78596: Jan 4th 2018 at 4:18:19 PM

What trait would you call 'loves the codename War Machine a bit too much'

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#78597: Jan 4th 2018 at 4:22:08 PM

Eh...guess you could say he's a bit of a by the books stick in the mud with a secret dork side, but he's just never really been as appealing to me as most of the other MCU characters. He's not bad, he's just kind of forgettable.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#78598: Jan 4th 2018 at 5:06:31 PM

Yeah, I agree. I never quite connected with him...and I positively dislike him in the second Ironman movie. Not because of the actor change (I frankly didn't even notice, that little of an impression he left from the first movie) but because he kind of acts like an idiot. He War machine temper tantrum comes a little bit from nowhere.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#78599: Jan 4th 2018 at 5:16:48 PM

Ike Perlmutter was right.tongue

edited 4th Jan '18 5:18:37 PM by comicwriter

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#78600: Jan 4th 2018 at 5:22:43 PM

I kind of agree that the MCU never really brought Rhodey out of "Tony Stark's black best friend" personality wise, and didn't gave him that much prominence as a character despite many opportunities. Even when he does get a a role in plot, he comes off as rather flat because the extent of his characterization tends to be "the best way to Foil off whatever Tony is doing." Half the time he doesn't even really have motivations of his own.

He might have less appearances (iirc), and is probably the MCU's (if not modern comic book movies in general's) most textbook example of a Sidekick (he owns it very well, to boot), but Sam does feel like he has a lot more to him overall, is introduced and written with more personality, and as a result carries a scene better. If they really are adapting Monica as Carol's Black Best Friend (which I am wary of) I'd hope they would give her more of the nuance that went into writing Sam then the general lack of it that's gone into writing Rhodey.

edited 4th Jan '18 5:32:04 PM by KnownUnknown


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