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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#78551: Jan 1st 2018 at 4:08:30 PM

Well Thor’s movies have never been huge successes so it’s not a surprise there, and Homecoming had to deal with Spider-fatigue. The only one I’m surprised didn’t hit a billion was Guardians 2.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#78552: Jan 1st 2018 at 4:26:09 PM

Once this part of the MCU is over they should fill in some of the gaps with comics showing some of what Cap's Avengers got up to, some of what Tony's did, some of what Cap and the Outsiders did

Let's expand this universe

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#78553: Jan 1st 2018 at 4:27:35 PM

New Black Panther trailer next week[1]

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#78554: Jan 1st 2018 at 4:33:09 PM

[up][up]There apparently is a prequel comic coming out showing what Cap’s team was up after Civil War.

[up]Nice.

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#78555: Jan 1st 2018 at 5:59:38 PM

So obviously Tony and Vision and I'd guess Rhodes, assuming he's using the version of his suit that is a prosthesis. But I can't really see a three (or even four, counting Spidey) member team being considered as The Avengers, despite how powerful they are

Well, Thor is still an Avenger, as they only waiting for him to come back from Asgard, wasn't part of Civil War, and The fact he still considers himself the stronger Avenger cements that.tongue In fact, Hulk thecnically is still an Avenger, only MIA. If they still want to be regardless of the Sokovia Accords, is another thing.

edited 1st Jan '18 6:03:55 PM by eligram

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#78556: Jan 2nd 2018 at 5:20:11 AM

Beauty and the Beast doing that well is not that much of a surprise. I had it on my billion dollar list at the start of last year. One should never forget how important and beloved the animated version was, it is after all still the only traditional animated movie ever nominated for a best picture academy award and the only animated movie who managed a nomination before the list was extended to 10. And before Frozen came along, Bat B was Disney most reliable money maker.

The Marvel movies did as well as expected, well, perhaps I expected Got G Vol 2 to do a little bit better. But then I loved that movie.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#78557: Jan 2nd 2018 at 9:55:10 PM

So Nakia is a former love interest of T'Challa's. Hopefully they do a better job with her than Christine Palmer. And it seems like she's no longer a member of the Dora Milaje but just a spy, to avoid the kerfluffles with how the Dora Milaje are prospective wives and the "threat" of the king choosing one clan representative over the others as his consort is the only kind of blackmail that can keep the clans from going to war with each other.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#78558: Jan 3rd 2018 at 9:06:14 AM

Well in the comics, Nakia ends up going bad/crazy for reason that are, problematic, to say the least. Hopefully the film's, should they choose to go that route, do a FAR better job of it than the source material did.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#78559: Jan 3rd 2018 at 9:41:08 AM

That fact that she's a spy now, and was elsewhere when everything was going down with T'Challa specifically bringing her back for support sends up red flags. I think The Reveal is going to be that she was a double agent and has been working with Killmonger the whole time.

edited 3rd Jan '18 9:41:44 AM by KnownUnknown

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#78560: Jan 3rd 2018 at 9:49:01 AM

It’d be really interesting if she’s portrayed as having perspective/valid points; just bad methods.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#78561: Jan 3rd 2018 at 9:55:13 AM

It's not her going bad in an of itself that was the problem. It was the reason/motivations that she was given for doing so that was the problem.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#78562: Jan 3rd 2018 at 10:07:13 AM

What exactly were those reasons?

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#78563: Jan 3rd 2018 at 10:08:57 AM

IIRC, wasn't it a case of Woman Scorned?

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#78564: Jan 3rd 2018 at 10:15:35 AM

Yeah basically she was in love with T'Challa, he didn't reciprocate, so she went crazy/evil and became a villain. Also there's this implication that her being captured and tortured by another villain later on made her even more crazy and it's all just a problematic mess really.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#78565: Jan 3rd 2018 at 1:30:47 PM

That the movie has Nakia being in a prior reciprocated relationship with T'Challa in the past before one of the two broke it off means that the Woman Scorned angle might not play into it this time. In the comics she was a Dora Milaje prospective wife, T'Challa kissed her under the influence of (I think) Mephisto which caused her to become an obsessive Yandere for him even though he regarded her as like a daughter since he was in his 40s and she was a teenager below the age of majority (Ross called her and Okoye "jailbait"). Then after she tried to kill T'Challa's then-girlfriend Monica Lynne in a fit of jealousy T'Challa dishonorably discharged her, causing her to slip into a funk after which she was found by his current arc villain Achebe and brutally tortured, then handed over to Killmonger who may have raped her or done something sexually to her, after which she became his ally in trying to bring down T'Challa.

Whole thing is a clusterfuck and I don't know if the current incarnation actually will get rid of the Woman Scorned aspect or the possibility she's basing her loyalties around who she's sleeping with, but it does seem like the changes to her backstory, while not the most immediately interesting, sound like an attempt to give her more agency as a character and possible villain. It also helps that Nyong'o and Gurira are in their 30s and Chadwick Boseman looks really young for his age so the creepy Electra Complex vibes are definitely gone.

edited 3rd Jan '18 1:33:47 PM by AlleyOop

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#78566: Jan 3rd 2018 at 1:39:50 PM

"T'Challa kissed her under the influence of (I think) Mephisto "

Of course is mephisto, first Spiderman and now this, he dosent really have anything better to do, right?

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#78567: Jan 3rd 2018 at 1:44:26 PM

[up][up]Aging them up was a wise move. Priest’s run is rightly considered historic, but having Nakia and Okoye be scantily clad teen girls is one of those unfortunate 90s holdover.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#78568: Jan 3rd 2018 at 2:25:20 PM

Mephisto also made out with Daredevil in a bar on Christmas once

It's a different thread so I can bring this up again

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ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#78569: Jan 3rd 2018 at 4:45:53 PM

Nakia is the least likely to go rogue and based off the trailers and the recent bts video it'll be W'Kabi that'll turn.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#78570: Jan 3rd 2018 at 6:00:21 PM

They might be saving some Wakandan villains for a potential sequel. In the Infinity War trailer M'Baku can be seen briefly among the Wakandan army at T'Challa's side, indicating that any conflict they have in the Black Panther movie is at least resolved enough for him to fight with the rest of Wakanda against an alien invasion..

This is probably a good way to do it since it would avoid overloading the movie with too many villains who don't necessarily have much to do with one anothernote  aside from being from Wakanda, while at the same time saving the sequels from having to sell the audience on a new character that is supposedly an important person in Wakanda despite never being mentioned before.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#78571: Jan 3rd 2018 at 6:18:39 PM

I think of all the Marvel villains out there, Mercy is the creepiest.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#78572: Jan 3rd 2018 at 6:57:23 PM

Most likely they'll have M'Baku be vaguely antagonistic towards T'Challa but behave as an actual antagonist, kind of like the Rosses in Civil War. Narratively he'll serve as a source of worldbuilding and exposition for Wakandan culture, and perhaps help out the actual antagonists in some small ways for now, then have him step up to proper antagonist later.

Most likely Klaue will go the way of Surtur and Crossbones, an early antagonist to set the story up but either stay in the background or be removed from the plot relatively early on.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#78573: Jan 3rd 2018 at 7:12:44 PM

I think Klaue’s part will be bigger than that. I think he is supposed to be working with Killmonger.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#78574: Jan 3rd 2018 at 7:23:27 PM

Klaue (pronounced like "Chloe") is kind of a major Black Panther villain, it makes sense for him to be one of the bigger bad guys in Black Panther.

edited 3rd Jan '18 7:24:15 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#78575: Jan 3rd 2018 at 7:26:08 PM

I’d say Okoye is least likely to go rogue.

How freaking cool would it be if Nakia was the villain for Black Panther 2? Lupita Nyong’o would nail it.


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