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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#78476: Dec 28th 2017 at 8:08:52 PM

She's a big part of Deadpool's mythos the way Dr Doom is a big part of Squirrel Girl's mythos. Rule of Funny is in play, the joke being that for all that Thanos might try to Kill the Marvel Universe, Death's still more into some goofy Canadian hitman. It doesn't come up very often or for long. Deadpool just really gets around when it comes to crossovers.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#78477: Dec 28th 2017 at 8:22:46 PM

[up] & [up][up] *Looks at both icons*

Oh my gosh... Ridley is a porg.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#78478: Dec 28th 2017 at 8:27:19 PM

Ridley is what happens when you feed a porg after midnight

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#78479: Dec 28th 2017 at 8:28:04 PM

Star Wars: Episode IX - Return of the Samus

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#78480: Dec 28th 2017 at 8:29:54 PM

Weirdly enough I saw people shipping Samus and Phasma shortly after TFA.

They probably wouldn't do that now that more background stuff has come out though.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#78481: Dec 28th 2017 at 8:35:45 PM

Phasma, huh? A lead character's archenemy who seemingly dies once an episode only to come back in the next, now who does that sound like?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#78482: Dec 28th 2017 at 8:50:17 PM

Many examples but the one you probably mean is Ridley

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#78483: Dec 28th 2017 at 8:55:53 PM

Early Hela concept.

Hela is looks more like Death.

Edit: >_>

edited 28th Dec '17 9:14:57 PM by Mizerous

Just Makima.
Cross (Don’t ask)
#78484: Dec 28th 2017 at 9:03:48 PM

Guessing autocorrect struck again.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#78485: Dec 28th 2017 at 9:17:47 PM

Pretty much all of the Hela concepts over there look really awesome.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#78486: Dec 29th 2017 at 9:04:31 AM

Ryan Coogler talks about how travelling to Africa helped prepare him for directing Black Panther

For his part, Coogler knew he would need to travel to Africa, not just for the actual production of the film, but so that he could have a better understanding of what it was like to be on the continent and amongst its people. Coogler spent weeks traveling through South Africa by himself to gain a better sense of the people he was telling a story about, something he didn’t think he could automatically do just because he’s black:

“None of my family ever had the opportunity to go [to Africa]. So it was almost like a mythical place to us—to a lot us, as African Americans. And that was a very big deal for me to be able to tell this story. I frankly wasn’t qualified to do it just because I look like this.”

https://io9.gizmodo.com/ryan-coogler-wasnt-ready-to-direct-black-panther-until-1821647873

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#78487: Dec 29th 2017 at 11:29:28 AM

I really appreciate hearing that he did that, and it makes me look forward to the movie even more. Although, given Wakanda's location it would've made more sense to travel throughout Kenya or even Nigeria rather than South Africa. Still it's good to hear him talk about acknowledging the distinction between being African American =/= African, just like how as a Chinese American I'm probably less qualified to talk about mainland-specific issues than someone like my father.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#78488: Dec 29th 2017 at 2:40:00 PM

A lot of people also pointed T’Challa and his dad speaking in Xhosa doesn’t make a lot of sense but I’m willing to given them a pass.

It’s hard to believe the movie is only a few months away.

edited 29th Dec '17 3:22:35 PM by comicwriter

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#78489: Dec 29th 2017 at 2:50:15 PM

I think that that was them trying to avoid a cliché (a lot of films use Swahili as the de-factor "African language" whether it fits in-context or not), by using a different one. But ironically in this case, them speaking Swahili would have made sense (given where Wakanda is traditionally drawn as being located).

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#78490: Dec 29th 2017 at 2:52:45 PM

It's probably more of the general perception of the continent of Africa as a block place where everything is kind of mashed together, especially noticeable in Hollywood but it's something that a lot of Americans have - even African Americans.

While you wouldn't expect a French person to go to Spain to find their history unless there were special circumstances, the idea that if you're getting back to your roots any place in Africa will do is relatively common among African Americans. Comes in part from most of us not actually really knowing where our roots are from, but also from the general featureless and unspecified depiction of Africa and its people that's been the standard for so long.

The whole "mashup of concepts and languages from all over the continent" (or even defaulting to Kenya) thing is linked to that too. It's something you just kind of get used to.

edited 29th Dec '17 2:55:26 PM by KnownUnknown

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#78491: Dec 29th 2017 at 3:29:20 PM

Use of Xhosa was fine and added to the characters. I think the fault lies more with the map not being adjusted in regards to Wakanda’s geography than with including John Kani in the film.

edited 29th Dec '17 3:30:51 PM by Tuckerscreator

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#78492: Dec 29th 2017 at 7:02:03 PM

Iron Man 2 was the first to show Wakanda somewhere roughly in East Africa, though they obviously could have changed it at some point in the 6 years between that and Civil War.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#78493: Dec 29th 2017 at 8:39:02 PM

IIRC one of the most consistent aspects of Wakanda's geography was its proximity to Lake Turkana, which would also explain why Egyptian mythology might've factored into its native religion. The movies' placement of it in Uganda and Coates' subsequent usage of the same has a lot of precedent.

It's kind of like going to Denmark to research what cities in Germany might look like. It's probably not as good as actually visiting Berlin, but it is still considerably more helpful than doing your research in, say, Melbourne.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#78494: Dec 30th 2017 at 3:17:43 AM

[up] Honestly, even if you go to Berlin, you would have had NO idea whatsoever how houses in Germany look like. You would know how they look like in Berlin, but the architecture in Northern Germany is actually way closer to what you would find in Denmark than the Berlin style - which in itself is a clash of the old Berlin, with its ridiculous high ceilings and rear houses, the Soviet Berlin with its concrete slab building (Plattenbau) and the modern Berlin, with its sleek apartments.

Wakanda is a fictional city. They can combine whatever they want.

edited 30th Dec '17 3:18:39 AM by Swanpride

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#78495: Dec 30th 2017 at 12:49:21 PM

An argument could be made that Wakanda was founded by people who migrated from South Africa, and while they picked up some local beliefs (hence the influence of Egyptian religion) they mostly kept their own culture due to their isolationism.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#78496: Dec 30th 2017 at 3:03:23 PM

Wakanda is supposed to be an ancient, even autochthonous kingdom and extremely xenophobic, so while not impossible it's not as likely for them to be a culture of South African migrants, especially not if it occurred recently enough for them to be speaking modern Xhosa.

My personal Fan Wank for it is that Ramonda is already stated in the comics to be from South Africa and T'Chaka comes off as a major reformist in Civil War, so it's possible he bucked trends by taking a "foreign" consort and adopting her language, and that T'Challa and his close circle would be influenced a lot more heavily by South African culture because of his (adoptive?) mother maintaining her heritage and his father's openmindedness, even if general Wakandan national culture may not.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#78497: Dec 30th 2017 at 4:37:09 PM

Calling it now.

IW 3/4 ends with Iron Man dead.

Peter: I'm sorry, Tony. I'm sorry.

Tony: P-Peter.....with great power comes great responsibility. -dies-

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#78498: Dec 30th 2017 at 5:02:07 PM

Died when Thanos robbed his house and shot Tony in surprise?

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#78499: Dec 30th 2017 at 5:04:39 PM

While poor Pepper was making wheat cakes.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#78500: Dec 30th 2017 at 5:07:02 PM

If there is only a hint that Pepper is pregnant at the start of Infinity War, I'll keep waiting for Tony to die the whole movie.


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