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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#78451: Dec 28th 2017 at 8:39:17 AM

The comics once drew a difference between Thor's resistance to AC and DC current

Squirrel Girl used a vast quantity of AC current to knock out ANAD Thor reasoning she would only have resistance to DC since that's what lightning is

Regarding substituting Hela for Death I'm not really invested in it but a way that it could work is either Thanos having found old records about her that survived the purg and going oh how dreamy

Or possibly managing to communicate with her while she was banished

The first option let's him have an impression of her that is off base if you want to play it like that. Misaimed fandom

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#78452: Dec 28th 2017 at 9:05:35 AM

Hela being a Composite Character of herself and Lady Death was one of those things I was on board for as a rumor, but that I eventually lost interest in.

firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#78453: Dec 28th 2017 at 9:08:22 AM

I will still always be bitter about her not being Loki's daughter, I don't care it puts focus back on Loki but even in the comics she was described as his biological daughter for a long while. Also it raises a lot of questions again about how mythology on Earth looks at her, because she's supposed to be the sister they've never heard of but for some reason the myths describe her as Loki's daughter. Unless there is a younger Hela/Hel who is unknowingly named after her banished aunt.

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#78454: Dec 28th 2017 at 9:13:00 AM

Like reality unless otherwise noted

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#78455: Dec 28th 2017 at 9:25:16 AM

Hela could also stab him in the back for the full power of the stones.

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#78456: Dec 28th 2017 at 9:59:23 AM

Hela being a Composite Character of herself and Lady Death was one of those things I was on board for as a rumor, but that I eventually lost interest in.

That was my position on it too. Before Ragnarok came out, it seemed like a cool idea, but after seeing how she's presented in Ragnarok, it really cheapens Thanos's character if his infatuation with the anthropomorphic personification of death itself is reduced to, "He met a crazy madwoman once who likes to kill people, and he thinks that's hot."

They would need to have played Hela very differently in Ragnarok for her being a Composite Character with Lady Death to work. The ship's sailed on that. She's not the embodiment of an abstract force; she's just a crazy lady who stabs f*ckers real good.

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#78457: Dec 28th 2017 at 10:00:48 AM

Super good

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#78458: Dec 28th 2017 at 10:13:27 AM

The problem is that they've done absolutely nothing to set up the idea of their even being a "Lady Death" in the MCU. So unless they're planning to pull her out of nowhere in an already uber-crowded film, they missed their chance on that one.

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#78459: Dec 28th 2017 at 10:14:53 AM

So I just found this nice summary of the Infinity Gauntlet comic story (don't watch if you don't want any potential spoiler for the movie), and I don't know if it was posted here before, but as the movie is getting near release, no harm to post it again if that was the case.

I wasn't aware that sexy lady Thanos was a creation of him to get Death jealous, kind of sad that we won't see that in the movies. And besides, we all know he only needed the Thanoscopter to win her heart, chicks dig the Thanoscopter.

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#78460: Dec 28th 2017 at 10:18:20 AM

Thanos has had a combined, like, two minutes of screentime across the entire MCU. Infinity War is the movie for finally explaining who this guy is, what he does, why he does it, etc. Why would Lady Death have come up before now, when the only characters she really engages with on a regular basis are Thanos and Deadpool, and one of those isn't in the MCU?

What they have done is introduce us to Celestials, which are seemingly being used as a composite for all the ancient primordial forces of the universe. They've also hinted at the bigger abstract deities, as demonstrated by Peter Quill seeing Eternity, the very personification of the universe itself, when hopped up on Ego - for once, not his own.

No, Lady Death didn't pop by in Iron Man 3 and go, "Hi, I exist, I'll be important later," but they've laid the groundwork for the universe to be populated by unfathomable beings.

edited 28th Dec '17 10:20:04 AM by TobiasDrake

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#78461: Dec 28th 2017 at 10:27:11 AM

I mean, would you believe Thanos was born in our solar system in the comics? Small galaxy, or what?

So yeah, who knows if the other Eternals will show up in any capacity, or if the Celestials proper even exist in the MCU. They can make it work. I'm comfortable trusting their judgment at this point.

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#78462: Dec 28th 2017 at 10:52:04 AM

The Kree and everything else all seem to exist in one galaxy in the movies. Hence Guardians of the Galaxy covering space everything.

This has trickled over into the comics where the Kree, Badoon, Spartax, Shi'ar, and etc all seem to exist and squabble over one galaxy even though historically the Kree and Shi'ar and even the Skrulls before it all went bad for them both had their own galaxy as a sphere of influence

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#78463: Dec 28th 2017 at 12:10:46 PM

Fandango’s Most Anticipated polls are out and the MCU cleaned up. Infinity War and Black Panther are the #1 and #2 most anticipated films of 2018, Black Panther is the most anticipated standalone comic movie character, Scarjo is favorite actress, Chris Pratt is favorite actor, and Danai Gurira is the favorite rising actress.

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#78464: Dec 28th 2017 at 12:12:53 PM

I think Black Panther has a lot of potential to rake in big moolah, especially if it's really good.

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#78465: Dec 28th 2017 at 1:29:33 PM

The thing about people theorizing that Hela would be Lady Death is that nobody actually wanted that on its own merits. People just wanted Hela as Lady Death because she could theoretically fill the void left by that character's absence because I think Lady Death was attached to Deadpool's rights. That is no longer a problem.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#78466: Dec 28th 2017 at 1:30:19 PM

Lady Death's rights were never in doubt I don't believe.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#78467: Dec 28th 2017 at 1:34:12 PM

Even if Lady Death's rights were with Fox, it would be irrelevant to Infinity War since that deal only happened this month.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#78469: Dec 28th 2017 at 1:45:26 PM

Lady Death first showed up in the first Thanos story. She is absolutely not with the Deadpool rights. Or was not or whatever.

edited 28th Dec '17 1:45:34 PM by Bocaj

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#78470: Dec 28th 2017 at 1:46:02 PM

[up][up] No you cannot.

edited 28th Dec '17 1:46:19 PM by GAP

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KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#78471: Dec 28th 2017 at 2:14:56 PM

You can have rights to a particular interpretation of a classical concept. That's why both DC and Marvel has rights to characters based in classic mythology like Thor. Other people can certainly make movies based on Thor and Norse mythology, but if it skews towards the elements unique to the Marvel Thor they would have a copyright claim.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#78473: Dec 28th 2017 at 3:57:24 PM

Looks like the Lego line for IW has confirmed Thor gets his axe in this movie [1].

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#78474: Dec 28th 2017 at 4:52:00 PM

I'm not sure why Lady Death would be considered a Deadpool character in the first place? The plot involving them, while cool, is only really a small part of the character's history. It's like calling Lex Luthor a Batman character because he and Bruce Wayne are business rivals.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#78475: Dec 28th 2017 at 4:58:56 PM

I have never read Deadpool, but I always was under the impression that she was a big part of his character/ "mythos".

In any case though, in what's similar to but not quite a Rogues' Gallery Transplant, she's currently messing with Ben Riley.


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