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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#78301: Dec 24th 2017 at 10:54:14 AM

I doubt Marvel's first response upon getting the X-Men rights back is going to be to make X-Men: First Class.

edited 24th Dec '17 10:54:48 AM by TobiasDrake

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#78302: Dec 24th 2017 at 10:59:22 AM

[up][up]Xavier is.... not the best judge of character.

Actually the fact Xavier thinks there's nay good in Magneto is kind of damning with faint praise given what a prick Xavier himself is.

ManOfSin Since: Mar, 2015
#78303: Dec 24th 2017 at 11:00:14 AM

[up][up] I doubt they will make an actual movie focusing on the X-Men anytime soon. Given what Feige said last year about there not being currently be room for that. Could still see X-Men characters like Mystique and Rogue as Captain Marvel villians, Storm and Black Panther as a couple, etc.

edited 24th Dec '17 11:00:41 AM by ManOfSin

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#78304: Dec 24th 2017 at 11:02:07 AM

Very few people are actually all good or all bad. Saying that Magneto probably shouldn't be trusted given the number of times he's betrayed the X-Men's trst, and that he should probably face trial and incarceration at the very least for all the people he's hurt and killed, sure, that's fair. But he shouldn't be Flanderized into a flatter character, as he so often is.

edited 24th Dec '17 12:55:12 PM by Unsung

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#78305: Dec 24th 2017 at 11:17:56 AM

I mean we don't even know if they're gonna make Magneto the first villain yet. They could pick someone else before using him.

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jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#78306: Dec 24th 2017 at 11:27:58 AM

I don't understand why making Magneto Rwandan is bad. You don't have to make him related to quicksilver and scarlet witch in this continuity.

edited 24th Dec '17 11:31:36 AM by jjjj2

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#78307: Dec 24th 2017 at 12:05:59 PM

[up]Except why wouldn't you?Just to say you don't have to?

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#78308: Dec 24th 2017 at 12:22:01 PM

The most important thing to me about Magneto is that he is a victim of genocide. That's the inherent tragedy of the character. He is not very religious at all. Thus if you make him Cambodian, Rwandan, or Bosnian, I feel you've retained the essence of the character. Having a serum that keeps him young for decades while he's still out and about is a bit too comic booky for my tastes. The winter soldier was periodically put on ice, and Captain America, was just sitting in ice so I can sort of buy that. The other option they could do is after the second infinity war movie is have thanos' defeat alter reality such that mutants have always existed.

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#78309: Dec 24th 2017 at 12:24:33 PM

...wait, so a youth-preserving super-serum is too comic booky, but using the Infinity Gauntlet to reshape the fabric of existence in order to retcon mutants into existing in previous films is fine?

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jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#78310: Dec 24th 2017 at 12:26:23 PM

[up]Yes. I have Willing Suspension of Disbelief. That's one in my mind that's kinda dumb.

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#78311: Dec 24th 2017 at 12:29:30 PM

Maybe some mutants just have a secondary mutation that causes them to age slower than normal.

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jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#78312: Dec 24th 2017 at 12:38:20 PM

Honestly now that I think about it, it's not the serum that would bother me as much as the idea that mutants have been invisible all this time. Thus in my mind I appreciate a thanos reality altering event, or mutants only recently started appearing.

edited 24th Dec '17 12:40:01 PM by jjjj2

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#78313: Dec 24th 2017 at 1:51:42 PM

It's a pretty standard part of X-Men lore that mutants have been around since ancient times, but for most of history they were very rare, anomalous occurences that either never came to wide attention, were lost to history, or were dismissed as legend. It's only recently that the mutant population has really exploded and become impossible overlook.

The MCU has already established that, while the events of Iron Man are when superheroes became commonly known to the public, there was lots of weird stuff happening in the verse before then that never made the papers. Magneto and some other older mutants could fit right in there.

An MCU X-Men movie would most likely begin as people are noticing that the number of people gaining superhuman abilities keeps increasing, and are freaking out that no one seems able to stop or control it.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#78314: Dec 24th 2017 at 3:22:17 PM

Made some comments on presentation of Magneto in the Diversity thread.

On other topics though, how about Jason Isaacs to play him?

Also, in terms of him still being alive and relatively young despite being a Holocaust survivor, if it isn't a secondary power either tied to his magnetism or common to all mutants, I had two thoughts. Have it that when his camp was liberated, he received a blood transfusion from either Steve Rogers (or at least receive Steve's blood from or James Howlett. Not sure if the former would work, because I believe that Erskine was killed and Steve became a human popsicle well before the point in which the camps were liberated. So, I'm liking the second. Especially because you could have a moment of Magneto sparing Wolverine and telling himself something of his past by revealing that Wolverine had saved him many decades earlier. And Magneto would recognize him, because Wolverine would look pretty much the same in the present as he did in 1945.

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#78315: Dec 24th 2017 at 3:23:26 PM

You could just have it so mutants live long. I thought some series had them living to be well over 100.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#78316: Dec 24th 2017 at 3:28:25 PM

I'm okay with the idea with mutants living somewhat longer/aging slower than normal humans. Reminds me of The Grisha Trilogy, which has a pretty good take on how different societies might treat empowered individuals, and includes this element that use of one's power feels good and increases health and lifespan. It's used mostly in the context of characters not feeling well when supressing their powers and the most prominent example is the Really 700 Years Old Big Bad, but my understanding is that it probably would work out so that an 80-something looked like a 40 or 50-something.

But at the same time, I'd like the MCU to have someone be The Constant between the 1940's and the present due to some form of the super soldier serum. Because it hasn't been done for Fury or Black Widow. And in this version, unlike some other series, Wolverine wasn't one of the Howling Commandos.

On the other hand, I suppose it's possible that Jim Morita and Principal Morita are the same person...

edited 24th Dec '17 3:34:31 PM by Hodor2

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#78317: Dec 24th 2017 at 3:52:04 PM

[up][up][up]Omg Jason Isaacs would be perfect. Fantastic actor AND he’s Jewish!

edited 24th Dec '17 3:52:50 PM by wisewillow

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#78318: Dec 24th 2017 at 3:53:15 PM

Yeah. I was thinking it would be nice to have Magneto played by a Jewish actor. And he kind of looks like a combination of the previous two Magneto actors.

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#78319: Dec 24th 2017 at 3:57:00 PM

I was about to say, I googled him and he looks like an older Michael Fassbender.

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#78320: Dec 24th 2017 at 4:01:26 PM

Jason Isaacs was Hook in the 2003 Peter Pan, Lucius Malfoy in Harry Potter, and Commander Zhao in season 1 of Avatar the Last Airbender. The man oozes charisma.

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#78321: Dec 24th 2017 at 4:02:33 PM

Jason Isaacs would have been my first choice as well.

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#78322: Dec 24th 2017 at 4:59:37 PM

The MCU has already established that, while the events of Iron Man are when superheroes became commonly known to the public, there was lots of weird stuff happening in the verse before then that never made the papers. Magneto and some other older mutants could fit right in there. An MCU X-Men movie would most likely begin as people are noticing that the number of people gaining superhuman abilities keeps increasing, and are freaking out that no one seems able to stop or control it.

In fact, with all the Inhuman's craziness from Agents of Shield, it'd be even easier for Mutants to get lost in the shuffle. That being said, imagine people's surprise when they find out that two races of super humans have been secretly living among them, and one of them is 100% home grown.

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#78323: Dec 24th 2017 at 8:00:54 PM

I don't think you need to "update" Magneto's past. HYDRA has cryo-preservation technology and were Nazis, it's why Bucky is still around today despite being 90 or so. Just find some reason that he might have been put on ice, like "oh shit this prisoner guy is the master of magnet, let's preserve him until we can discover and replicate his secrets."

Hell, make the time skip part of his character. He wakes up in 2017 and wonders if the world is any kinder, only to see it's still the same cesspool it was in the 30's and 40's if not worse. That's a pretty good reason to become a villain.

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#78324: Dec 24th 2017 at 8:14:59 PM

Well, the point is that he's a kid during the Holocaust.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#78325: Dec 24th 2017 at 8:33:35 PM

Hmm. That could actually be an opportunity to do something different from the Fox films. Having him already be an adult back then could be a unique take on his character without betraying his roots.

Though either way it's hard to make Scarlet Witch and Deadsilver his children if he's on ice instead of being able to go out and get laid. Perhaps that angle would have to be abandoned...

edited 24th Dec '17 8:34:17 PM by Anomalocaris20

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