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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#78076: Dec 17th 2017 at 6:19:32 PM

Retcon them, sure, but in their own universe, don't just try and surreptitiously jam them into the MCU as it is now. If you're going to make that kind of change, it should be a crossover event unto itself, really. Cosmic Retcon is a trope for a reason.

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#78077: Dec 17th 2017 at 6:25:19 PM

Having the next X-Men movie be about Fox mutants moving to the MCU might be interesting. If they do so en masse they could become an obvious parallel to migrants in the MCU. But the timeline would be problematic - you cannot use the current actors since Apocalypse took place 40 years ago.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#78078: Dec 17th 2017 at 6:29:06 PM

For that idea, they would at least need a movie to set-up the idea of alternate realities/timeline without simultaneously introducing the entire X-Men mythos as well (to prevent ludicrous amounts of clutter and dissonance) - which would likely become its own series itself given Marvel's track record.

edited 17th Dec '17 6:29:23 PM by KnownUnknown

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#78079: Dec 17th 2017 at 6:31:41 PM

Spider-verse. Do it, Marvel.

edited 17th Dec '17 6:31:58 PM by Unsung

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#78083: Dec 17th 2017 at 9:46:42 PM

I actually hope they block it. A few better X-Men movies each year and an improved MvCI roster really aren't worth the dangerous levels of media consolidation this would bring.

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#78084: Dec 17th 2017 at 9:50:43 PM

You act like this is the last stand of filming with Fox and Disney. Sony still operates on it's own, Universal is still a thing, and Warner Bros...errr DCEU is not great but still there.

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#78085: Dec 17th 2017 at 9:55:41 PM

Universal? What, are we getting a bunch of Namor movies?

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#78086: Dec 17th 2017 at 10:11:12 PM

The values Disney espouses in its movies aren't necessarily the ones it plays by in business, and even as a fan of a lot of what they produce, limiting the number of distinct companies producing entertainment means less competition which means less incentive to do anything other than pander to what they know will sell. Niches tend to get shallower, people's tastes aren't challenged, and it only compounds with itself over whole time. The echo chamber effect is bad when it comes to news, but it's still in play when it comes to 'pure' entertainment. You are what you consume.

edited 17th Dec '17 10:12:56 PM by Unsung

Nyte Since: Oct, 2017
#78087: Dec 17th 2017 at 10:28:30 PM

So, besides the whole X-Men/FF deal, what other new movies would you like to see? As I stated in the beginning, the ones I want are Young Avengers, Nova, and Thunderbolts.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#78088: Dec 17th 2017 at 10:36:19 PM

I said this in a different thread, but:

As a general rule of thumb, it is good to be concerned about a major corporate consolidation such as this, but those concerns don't seem very valid in the modern media landscape. Currently, there is an absolute explosion of competition in the entertainment industry. Advances in technology mean that the entry barrier for making and distributing a film to a wide audience has never been lower. New venues for films and television appear online almost too fast to keep track of. We're living in the age of what's called "peak TV", where American companies are producing over 400 scripted television shows each year, and that number keeps going up as more cable networks and streaming services start producing their own content. And that number doesn't even take into account the countless independent productions being uploaded to sites like You Tube and Vimeo every day.

Corporate consolidation is bad when it reduces competition, and thus reduces options and alternatives for both employees and consumers. That doesn't remotely seem to be a threat in the world of film and television right now.

edited 17th Dec '17 10:37:09 PM by RavenWilder

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#78089: Dec 17th 2017 at 11:55:07 PM

Y'all acting as if fucking Skynet was onto us evil grin. Calm down.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#78090: Dec 18th 2017 at 12:04:58 AM

[up][up] THANK you. I said the same. I also need to add that it is not like Disney suddenly becomes an unstoppable behemoth. It roughly reaches the size of WB with this step. In a way this is something to celebrate because it means that a studio which was what passes nowadays an independent small time producer during the golden age of Hollywood managed to struggle its way to the top. Disney used to be the absolute underdog (yeah, I know, hard to imagine), and it is now one of the top dogs.

Re the Gifted in Ao S: NONE of them were mutants. Before Inhumans became a thing, they were all a matter of "oh no! Science!!!" Scorch for example was the result of living near some Chemical plant. Blizzard was the result or a weather experiment. And they made a point in the first season that at least back then the index was fairly short.

edited 18th Dec '17 12:05:32 AM by Swanpride

Nyte Since: Oct, 2017
#78091: Dec 18th 2017 at 12:08:40 AM

"So, besides the whole X-Men/FF deal, what other new movies would you like to see? As I stated in the beginning, the ones I want are Young Avengers, Nova, and Thunderbolts."

Does anyone want to contribute their ideas?

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#78092: Dec 18th 2017 at 12:12:00 AM

I think mix Young Avengers and New Avengers.

I can't see a group seriously calling themselves Young Avengers (and fair enough that name was put on them by the news) but after the Avengers are broken up or retired or dead or whatever after Infinity War Sequel, I can see a bunch of young heroes teaming up to be New Avengers.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#78093: Dec 18th 2017 at 12:16:35 AM

I want them to introduce the Savage Lands, though I do think that the reason why there haven't been a hint of them so far is because part of those rights are tied up with those Fox rights.

Young Avengers, yeah, but not immediately. And not necessarily the team from the comics, more a mix of legacy characters and new talents.

Otherwise, the Thunderbolts. But again, not immediately, they need to build this up first.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#78094: Dec 18th 2017 at 12:18:27 AM

I said this in a different thread, but...
That just seems shortsighted. Sure, things are good now, but every bubble bursts. Breaking up a monopoly is only going to get harder as their profits go up, and it limits the number of avenues open to artists, one way or another. And I hardly think this is disproportionate doomsaying. Disney has been pretty sharky in its business practices in the past, and occasionally still is.

edited 18th Dec '17 12:19:23 AM by Unsung

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#78095: Dec 18th 2017 at 12:22:09 AM

I somehow have a hard time to believe that it is harder to work for Disney than working for the Murdoch group.

And what we currently experience is a huge shift in the media landscape. Net neutrality, that is a danger to this new freedom of producing and distributing content freely. Google being so big is. But movie studios, no matter what seize, they are just one producer under many.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#78096: Dec 18th 2017 at 12:59:46 AM

This is really not me freaking out about this. I don't think it's 100% cause for celebration, but I don't think it's 100% cause for alarm, either. It's mostly a problem in terms of the precedent it sets for businesses in general, and what letting it lie might mean for other industries.

And I never said working for Murdoch was easier than Disney, but it seems like it sort of depends on what you want to do. Murdoch seems like he'd let Fox run wild as long as they were still making money— except when it came to news, where it was obviously all about his agenda— but with Disney it's more like a loose leash in a nice yard. That leash just got a lot longer if they're still making R-rated X-Men movies, but I still have to think there's going to be a limit to that. Some rules, spoken or otherwise.

edited 18th Dec '17 1:16:10 AM by Unsung

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#78097: Dec 18th 2017 at 1:05:45 AM

I don't think it's a bubble, though. I think it's us approaching post-scarcity when it comes to media. When the only way to see a movie was to go to a theater or wait for it to show up on a TV channel, that placed a hard limit on how many movies could be available to someone at once. Now, there effectively is no limit. You Tube probably gets more hours of video uploaded to it in a single day then Fox or Disney release in an entire year, and they're all equally easy for the average consumer to access.

The big film studios still get a huge share of the market because their higher production values and enormous advertising campaigns are more appealing to the audiences, but they can't keep smaller productions from being available to the public in the same way Walmart can outprice and outcompete smaller stores until they can no longer afford to operate, leaving Walmart as the only option in town.

Now, if Disney tried buying out a lot of the big streaming platforms like Netflix, Amazon, and You Tube, that I'd see as very troubling.

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#78098: Dec 18th 2017 at 1:08:10 AM

They own a majority share in hulu now.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#78099: Dec 18th 2017 at 1:15:14 AM

The bubble I meant wasn't really the current glut of entertainment media itself ceasing to exist so much as that content being highly varied and of a pretty high quality across the board. I realize how that's kind of a vague way of putting it, looking back.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#78100: Dec 18th 2017 at 2:12:51 AM

[up][up] Yes, but Hulu is a minor player. Netflix and Amazon operate worldwide, and they are currently pretty much dominating the market. We could use more player in this particular game, not less, so Disney moving in is adding another provider which I consider a good thing.

I don't think that we have to offer about variety either. There are more movies made nowadays than ever. And also more experimental movies.


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