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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#77901: Dec 14th 2017 at 8:39:14 AM

Marvel: Come on guys we need to figure out a way to get the X-Men and Fantastic Four back.

Disney: Did you say buy Fox?

Marvel: What no we-

Disney: Too late.

This song needs more love.
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#77902: Dec 14th 2017 at 8:48:03 AM

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I blame this on someone's use of a Monkey's Paw.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#77903: Dec 14th 2017 at 8:51:02 AM

Nobody ask for 200 pounds.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#77904: Dec 14th 2017 at 9:34:31 AM

I'm really hoping that they let James Mangold make his X-23 film as well. They struck gold with Dafne Keen and it'd be a shame to make her a one and done (especially given her age) just because of this.

JRads47 Since: Nov, 2014
#77905: Dec 14th 2017 at 9:44:58 AM

So... What are they going to do with the Inhumans? I could see them retconning them into Cosmic movies.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#77906: Dec 14th 2017 at 12:38:48 PM

They're probably just going to dump the Inhumans as much as possible. People are okay with them in Agents of SHIELD but the Inhumans TV show is failing pretty hard. I think Agents of SHIELD used them because they couldn't use Mutants, but the Inhumans show and any other pushes for them pretty exclusively came from Ike Perlmutter. Who Disney basically forced out of the film side of Marvel Studios. I think the (non-Netflix) TV side is low-priority enough that they kind of overlooked him creeping back in there.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#77907: Dec 14th 2017 at 12:42:08 PM

Pretty much. It was clear from the get go that if his experiment works, fine, if it doesn't they will just pretend that it never happened.

And now they have so many properties to deal with, don't expect to hear anything about the Inhumans again anytime soon, at least outside Ao S - which I hope will continue to live on. ABC has obviously no interest in it, or it wouldn't damage its ratings by airing sport in some regions instead of an episode, but the number of people who watch the show is actually pretty high. It is the number of live watchers which is low.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#77908: Dec 14th 2017 at 12:56:04 PM

In case anyone was wondering what's going to happen:

Word of Iger: "We're also looking forward to expanding the Marvel Cinematic Universe to include X-Men, Fantastic Four and Deadpool."

Truly, this is a Christmas miracle.

edited 14th Dec '17 12:59:29 PM by TargetmasterJoe

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#77910: Dec 14th 2017 at 1:31:43 PM

Dark Phoenix will be the Endsong for Fox's mutants.

Just Makima.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#77911: Dec 14th 2017 at 1:38:01 PM

Good. I finally want a good version of Rogue.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#77912: Dec 14th 2017 at 1:43:29 PM

Okay if Lady Death is still apart of Thanos' motivation then I want a cameo appearance or shout-out to Deadpool about how she loves him more than Thanos.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#77913: Dec 14th 2017 at 2:17:01 PM

The best bet forward for the X-Men and mutants is probably to introduce them as individual characters with either their own stories or within other stories first as apposed to dumping the ensemble and the entire mutant struggle onto the universe in one fell swoop.

Like, for example, Rogue and Mystique could be introduced in one of Captain Marvel's sequels. Weapon X could explicitly be connected to the Super Soldier project, and the characters associated with that could get their own movie. I was expecting Whirlwind to show up in the Ant-Man series anyway, but now they could explicitly point out the mutant source of his powers. Alpha Flight could finally get a movie. Etc. And then, as the number of mutants piles up, then we get the governments of the world overreacting to them, widespread prejudice, etc, and then Xavier surfaces.

Heck, Liz could even come back as Firestar in one of the Spidey sequels or something just like in the Ultimate Universe. Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends anyone?

On the other hand, the perfect thing to do with Deadpool, imo, is to continue the series entirely as normal - same characters, same actors, same general mythos - except Wade and co are inexplicably in the MCU now. Complete with Wade lampshading it mercilessly.

edited 14th Dec '17 2:17:17 PM by KnownUnknown

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#77914: Dec 14th 2017 at 2:25:13 PM

You know, you made me think, they could go with solo movies of a new Wolverine, Storm, and maybe Gambit, whit some X-men as cameos or secondary characters trying to recruit them, and then a X-men movie a la Avengers.

Hell, they could make a Brotherhood of evil origin movie, make them sympathetic and ambigously evil, go against opressors and the in the end make the twist that it was Magneto recruiting them, and not the X-men. Hell, they could make the protagonist Quiksil... oh shit, wait.

Huh, in hindsight, is funny how fox went the other way compared to marvel, doing the team movie first and then going with the solo movies.

edited 14th Dec '17 2:37:47 PM by eligram

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#77915: Dec 14th 2017 at 3:15:09 PM

They could also still have Magneto have his Holocaust backstory and the other Mutants from around his time. "Mutants live a little longer than Humans, 120 years on average, and age slower to compensate" is a really easy and believable explanation to make.

ManOfSin Since: Mar, 2015
#77916: Dec 14th 2017 at 3:27:30 PM

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Because that’s how it is in the comics. The Avengers is a crossover franchise while the X-Men aren’t.

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#77917: Dec 14th 2017 at 4:16:13 PM

Yeah, I'm aware of that. I'm just wondering if the X-men movies would have the same success that Avengers if they had gone that route.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#77918: Dec 14th 2017 at 4:25:21 PM

Not many X-Men have their own books (other than Wolverine). Most X-comics are team comics — the X-Men just have Loads and Loads of Teams. Even a significant chunk of the Best of Deadpool is his (ostensibly unlikely at the time it came out despite both first appearing in New Mutants at around the time) teamup with Cable. The characters tend to work best as an ensemble, and many of them don't really have an iconic supporting cast other than each other, so while a spinoff makes sense to support a whole movie, their origins are often better-suited to flashbacks.

And they've had some awesome flashbacks. One of the best decisions they made was turning the whole franchise into a series of decade-by-decade flashbacks.

edited 17th Dec '17 5:16:23 PM by Unsung

ManOfSin Since: Mar, 2015
#77919: Dec 14th 2017 at 4:48:24 PM

@Mizerous Dark Phoenix won’t be considering they have X-films for 2019 like X-Force. Disney can’t really do anything until 2020 due to the lots of paper works that needs to be done. Just like how Disney bought Marvel in 2009 and didn’t make changes until 2012.

edited 14th Dec '17 4:48:41 PM by ManOfSin

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#77920: Dec 15th 2017 at 1:31:15 AM

I still think that they should keep the X-men in a parallel universe and then slowly work towards one big dimension hopping event, but no matter what they do, they should keep to team up, but switch the focus. For example they could start with X-Men: Rogue follow this up with X-Men: Storm, X-Men: Gambit, X-Men: Cyclops aso.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#77921: Dec 15th 2017 at 8:11:24 AM

Something just occurred to me...in Phase 1, we got roughly one movie every year (a little bit more, but on average). Then they moved to two movies every year in Phase 2. And new in Phase 3 we are at three movies every year. So....four movies every year in Phase 4?

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#77922: Dec 15th 2017 at 8:31:19 AM

I think there'd be too much competition for them to all do well. Blockbusters are already cannibalizing each other.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#77923: Dec 15th 2017 at 10:15:48 AM

[up] Honestly, I don't believe in the idea that Blockbusters are cannibalizing each other. When they are released within two weeks, maybe, but Disney shouldn't have any issue to spread theirs out.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#77924: Dec 15th 2017 at 10:17:30 AM

The viewing public only has so much money to watch movies.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#77925: Dec 15th 2017 at 10:26:51 AM

[up] Sure....but there are two possible things which happen: either they really want to see the movie, so they make the time for it (hence Superhero movies making most of their money within the first two weeks anyway), or they pick something between whatever is on when they have time to go into theatres. Disney would need to put out a new movie which addresses the same audience every three weeks before cannibalizing itself would become an issue.


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