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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

ManOfSin Since: Mar, 2015
#77826: Dec 11th 2017 at 4:23:24 PM

[up]x4

Because there are people who like these version? Some characters are actually improvements over their comic counterparts. Because let’s face it, the X-Men weren’t good until the Phoenix Saga.

Movie Marvel Girl>Comic Marvel Girl

edited 11th Dec '17 4:49:47 PM by ManOfSin

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#77827: Dec 11th 2017 at 4:42:29 PM

I don't like Fox Mystique.

Just Makima.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#77828: Dec 11th 2017 at 4:44:17 PM

She was almost cool, until they ran her into the ground. I liked her in Days of Future Past.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#77829: Dec 11th 2017 at 4:49:24 PM

I think it's weird that Fox made Mystique Xavier's adopted sibling when that's usually Juggernaut's role. I'm not too familiar with the comics, specifically how Cain and Xavier's relationship is, but I always kind of liked the idea of exploring their sibling relationship. Also, Juggernaut is a boring nothingburger of a villain without that relationship (as X3 showed) while Mystique already has ties to a bunch of other characters.

edited 11th Dec '17 4:51:09 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

ManOfSin Since: Mar, 2015
#77830: Dec 11th 2017 at 4:51:02 PM

[up]

It’s not really weird. It’s from the Ultimate X-Men where Xavier and Mystique had a history, Magneto crippled him, and she ran off with Magneto.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#77831: Dec 11th 2017 at 4:55:11 PM

Y'know... Mystique would make a pretty fun villain for a Black Widow movie. But mostly because I have this perception of her comics incarnation as being Marvel's Revolver Ocelot.

edited 11th Dec '17 4:59:08 PM by KnownUnknown

ManOfSin Since: Mar, 2015
#77832: Dec 11th 2017 at 4:57:57 PM

She actually started out as a Ms. Marvel/Captain Marvel villian.

Cross (Don’t ask)
#77833: Dec 11th 2017 at 5:12:28 PM

[up][up][up] Wasn't that history romantic in nature? Been a while since I've read any of the Ultimate line.

jameygamer Since: May, 2014
#77834: Dec 11th 2017 at 5:24:56 PM

So things are starting to get serious with the Disney/Fox deal. Comcast is out of it.

That deal would work quite well, but there's another corp I'd love Disney to be in bed with.

Hope this is on-topic.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#77835: Dec 11th 2017 at 5:28:08 PM

With Comcast out this makes the deal all but confirmed.

Just Makima.
jameygamer Since: May, 2014
#77836: Dec 11th 2017 at 6:03:35 PM

It still has to go through the DOJ and the FCC.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#77837: Dec 11th 2017 at 6:50:21 PM

[up]

(Crosses fingers that those guys will relent.)

DragonKent17 The Game Master from The City of Angels Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
The Game Master
#77838: Dec 11th 2017 at 6:56:40 PM

Apparently the X-Men may come to the MCU but Fantastic Four is not gonna be there because Constatin Films own film rights Fox only owns 2005, 2007 and 2015 distribution rights:

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/disney/disney-closes-in-on-foxs-assets-as-comcast-bows-out-but-will-the-fantastic-four-be-part-of-the-deal-a156270

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#77839: Dec 11th 2017 at 7:13:24 PM

GodDAMNIT! That was the part we wanted the most!

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#77840: Dec 11th 2017 at 7:17:19 PM

Eh, I'm not worried about it. They'll just partner up with Disney and the MCU rather than Fox.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#77841: Dec 11th 2017 at 8:06:38 PM

They could be spiteful and just make films on their own.

Just Makima.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#77842: Dec 11th 2017 at 8:10:38 PM

They could, but they probably wouldn't make much money that way.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#77843: Dec 11th 2017 at 8:39:55 PM

Zounds! Maybe we'll get a true successor to 1994's Fantastic Four! Oh boy!tongue

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#77844: Dec 11th 2017 at 8:41:25 PM

Anything over another Fan4stic.

edited 11th Dec '17 8:41:38 PM by Mizerous

Just Makima.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#77845: Dec 11th 2017 at 11:54:34 PM

Re People liking this version of the X-men: I liked the Garfield version of Spider-man too, and I would have loved to see at least a proper conclusion to his movies. I still didn't whine around when the deal was struck and Disney recast. Because it was logical. It is the same way here. Plus, what are people actually liking about the current X-men? Certainly not Mystique. They are all about Wolverine (whose actor has retired anyway), Magneto and Professor X (who already have been replaced). This is the perfect moment to reboot the whole thing. Well, except Deadpool.

Re Constantin film: I addressed that a while back. I am not quite clear if the studio is still involved or not, but if it is, I doubt that it will be much of a problem. The studio has given up on the international market years ago and have focussed on movies aiming and the Germans. Pretty successfully I might add. Remember the movie series I mentioned a few pages back, the one which outgrossed Thor Ragnarok in Germany? Fack ju Göhte happens to be a Constantin film production. So even if they have any say about who produces those movies, they would most likely just allow Disney to do it in exchange for a cut anyway.

Plus, the question is how those contracts are designed. A few years back Feige was ready to leave the Daredevil rights with Fox in exchange for the Cosmic stuff attached to the Fantastic 4. Not even for the Fantastic 4 themselves, just for the Silver Surfer and Co. I would be very surprised if not the first movie which is announced for Phase 4 is a Silver Surfer movie.

[up][up] Well, that movie did still a better job to capture what the characters are actually about than the other ones. So it would be an improvement.

edited 11th Dec '17 11:56:05 PM by Swanpride

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#77846: Dec 12th 2017 at 4:38:25 AM

RE: Constantin Film: Admittedly, this is annoying, but I wouldn't be surprised if either:

Besides, it's not like Constantin Film has any plan for Marvel's First Family, right? ...Unless the F4 are significantly popular in Germany?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#77847: Dec 12th 2017 at 6:13:17 AM

They aren't. Constantin bought the rights when they were still competing internationally...I mean, they have produced some really successful movies over the years, The Neverending Story, A fistful of Dollars, Dance with Wolves, Seven, The Sixth Sense aso. But since they have their own production Gmb H for German movies, they did arguably better. I mean, would you prefer to be the producer of Der Untergang (downfall), or the studio which happens to be listed as co-producer of Fantfourstic?

[up] I doubt that they will let them lapse. I bet they strike a deal which gives them the distribution rights for the German or the European market. Which would most likely mean that Disney wouldn't put priority on Fantastic 4 properties, but then, the most money is made in the US and in Asia anyway.....

edited 12th Dec '17 6:15:15 AM by Swanpride

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#77848: Dec 12th 2017 at 7:30:39 AM

Well, I finish seeing Guardians of the Galaxyand I most said....I put Ego in my top five Marvel villians, beating Winter soldier Hydra(Which was good but it was mostly by team effort), Loki(who switch to much to be consider a villian) and Zemo(Who I feel is overated and focus to damn much making the team feel sad), he is powerfull, amoral and yet personal, I find him the stronger villian so far in phase 3.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#77849: Dec 12th 2017 at 7:54:47 AM

Yet another update on the Disney/Fox deal:

Allegedly, it's going to close *this* Thursday, as in 2 days from now.

Like someone said, there's still the matter of the Department of Justice and the FCC, so just continue to keep your pants on and don't bring out the champagne just yet.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#77850: Dec 12th 2017 at 8:05:57 AM

[up][up] I tend to agree. I have little doubt that no Marvel villain will manage to stay under the 1.2 I just gave Malekith (other than perhaps Diamondback or the hand in general, but I guess even they will manage to gather more points when I finally get to them), but the top slot, that will be a harder fight. And Ego is a strong contender for sure. No villain ever has made me hate him that visceral. He even beat Umbridge in this regard.

[up] I wouldn't worry too much about that either. If the Warner Bros. deal goes through, this one should pass easily. Especially under the current circumstances. Plus, even if the government weren't is disarray, I don't see anything truly objectionable about this deal under the current law. But then, I hardly know every relevant paragraph. But Disney has some of the best lawyers around, they will find a loophole if they must.


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