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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
See, Loki killing and torturing for lulz kinda made sense, in the “screw you Thor, you like this realm so I’m gonna be horrible to the humans” sense. Buuuuut...
Thanos wants tesseract. Thanos doesn’t seem to care about Earth. Loki could grab the tesseract and portal it back to Thanos pretty easily if he didn’t do the whole New York invasion thing. So why would Thanos let him? Why wouldn’t Thanos want Loki to grab the cube and bring it straight back? And for that matter, Ronan walks off with the power gem instead of giving it to Thanos. Why involve Ronan at all? Why aren’t Gamora and Nebula fetching the orb on their own??????
edited 9th Dec '17 12:59:29 PM by wisewillow
Regarding the Tesseract, I don't know if you can pull it through a portal when it is generating the actual portal
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI mean, he is the collections agent. So....
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.And here we have our first trailer for Jessica Jones Season 2, returning to us on March 8th, 2018. And continuing the usage of damn good music in the trailers for the different Netflix shows, they're using Barracuda by Heart. Fitting song for Jessica, come to think of it.
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?Was Loki ever characterized as the god of chaos or mischief explicitly? I feel like the earlier films tried to shy away from such things, so a lot of the Whedon bashing over Loki seems like part of the post-hoc hate-on for him over AOU (e.g. blaming him for literally every problem with the MCU under the sun including films and business decisions he had zero involvement in, or things they previously liked from Avengers up until it became cool to think Avengers was actually shit because of its connection to Whedon, and even spinning stories about how everything in other films is a hidden Take That! towards Whedon specifically) rather than organic criticism.
I'm not a big fan of Avengers Loki, and Whedon does have an infuriating problem with stepping over previous writers' work when it comes to his own films, but considering Thor 1, Avengers, Thor 2/3note had three different sets of writers, the argument that Ragnarok was performing some kind of course-correction to restore him back to his Thor 1 characterization after Avengers (some even say 2, despite 3 having the same writers from 2) comes across a lot weaker given it's not even the same writing team in the helm, and given the plausibility of the theory that he was some kind of under mind control in Avengers. Don't get me wrong, 3 and 1 definitely have my favorite take on Loki overall, so I'm happy with it, but some of it comes off as deliberately misconstruing what goes on behind the scenes in order to further a grudgewank.
Regarding characterization issues in The Avengers: I've seen it stated in this very thread that it stemmed from Whedon liking Tony Stark more than any of the others (indeed; I've seen it said that he wanted to be Tony Stark), which led to him showcasing Tony to best affect, (giving him all the best lines, showing his actions in the best light, etc.) even if it meant mangling the characterization of everyone else in the movie. In fanfiction this is referred to as "author's darling syndrome".
Loki in the Avengers never bothered me because there was always the implication that there was more going on than there seemed to be, just like it is typical with Loki. His actions are never straightforward. If anything, I felt that Loki in Ragnarok was the most ooc, not because of what he did in the end, but because he was easy to see through this time around.
In fairness, Thor spent a large portion of that movie as a butt monkey too
Forever liveblogging the AvengersJust finished Punisher today.
Holy shit, what he did to Agent Orange/William Rollins. That might be the most brutal MCU death thus far.
Also, new JJ trailer is some good stuff. Love their choice of Barracuda, one of my favorite songs.
edited 9th Dec '17 4:42:51 PM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!It’s canon??? I’ve never heard that. Is there Word of God that I missed?
edited 9th Dec '17 5:35:33 PM by wisewillow
The film definitely implies Loki’s scepter played a role in the “put on the suit” argument. Don’t recall any implication that it affected Loki though.
Speaking of Loki, this gif
from Ragnarok is hilarious.
edited 9th Dec '17 5:47:46 PM by wisewillow

They made it clear Loki wasn't exactly stable in terms of sanity in Avengers.
Just Makima.