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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#77726: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:55:20 AM

I see

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#77727: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:56:16 AM

And he's not Nick Cage, thank god

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#77728: Dec 9th 2017 at 11:05:22 AM

I never had an issue with Nick Cage as the Ghost Rider,though I can see how some might.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#77729: Dec 9th 2017 at 11:17:09 AM

Believe me, Ghost Rider in Ao S is soooo much better. Better CGI, better character (it's Robby Reyas btw), better story and some really badass fight scenes. Let's put it this way: Criminals fear the Ghost Rider more than the Punisher!

And they have to introduced the notion that there are other Ghost Riders, so, everything is possible.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#77730: Dec 9th 2017 at 11:19:58 AM

Nic Cage did not look like a daredevil stunt rider. He looked like a divorced dad accountant going through a midlife crisis. Also, I'm pretty sure that scene where he laughs at an orangutan while eating m&ms out of a shot glass was just them leaving the camera on and us watching actual Nic Cage.

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#77731: Dec 9th 2017 at 11:34:10 AM

As someone who knows more about that movie than I want to, there's actually a justification behind that. Nicolas Cage argued that Johnny Blaze, having sold his soul to the devil, would want to avoid sin as much as possible in his free time, so he eats M&Ms and watches orangutan videos.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
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#77732: Dec 9th 2017 at 11:38:53 AM

[up] You sure he doesn't eat them for a plug-in commercial?

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#77733: Dec 9th 2017 at 11:40:05 AM

Gluttony and Sloth, the road to salvation, American-style.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#77734: Dec 9th 2017 at 11:48:32 AM

I'd argue the opposite, actually. If you've already sold your soul to the devil, who gives a shit? Inject heroin directly into your penis and get into fistfights with school children. You can't get any worse.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#77735: Dec 9th 2017 at 11:52:24 AM

Gluttony and Sloth and Wrath and Lust, the road to damnation, American-style.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#77736: Dec 9th 2017 at 11:56:32 AM

> I'd argue the opposite, actually. If you've already sold your soul to the devil, who gives a shit? Inject heroin directly into your penis and get into fistfights with school children. You can't get any worse.

The devil owns his soul,whose to say damning himself further won't result in the devil claiming by rights his body too?

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#77737: Dec 9th 2017 at 11:59:59 AM

I think the idea was less "I don't want to do bad things and go to a worse hell when I die" and more "I don't want to do bad things and summon the Devil to collect on my soul".

edited 9th Dec '17 12:02:17 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#77738: Dec 9th 2017 at 12:11:16 PM

Infinity War spoiler, kinda, from a Kevin Feige interview today: Loki “aligns” with Thanos in Infinity War. I can’t find the exact quote, but all the comic book websites are using the word align.

I’m hoping Feige isn’t telling the whole truth. It would be bad characterization and boring.

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#77739: Dec 9th 2017 at 12:15:04 PM

We've all been speculating about a scenario where Loki sides with Thanos and gives him the Tesseract in order to save the remaining Asgardians. I could see that be aligning.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#77740: Dec 9th 2017 at 12:18:01 PM

Marvel To Launch New Animation Franchise ''Marvel Rising''

Not the MCU, but relevant to your interests if you've been wondering when Ms Marvel and Spider-Gwen might show up. Squirrel Girl and America Chavez are also on the list. Chloe Bennet and Ming-Na Wen (Quake and Agent May from Agents of Shield) voice themselves, so that seems like a pretty strong connection even if it's still an alternate universe.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#77741: Dec 9th 2017 at 12:18:37 PM

No worried about that. Honestly, the best script writers in the whole MCU are working on those movies, there is no way that they don't nail the characterisation. They have always been pretty spot-on.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
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#77742: Dec 9th 2017 at 12:19:48 PM

[up][up] Seen people hating it because "SJW" stuff >_>

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#77743: Dec 9th 2017 at 12:20:33 PM

Btw, Sony released the first teaser for the animated Spider-man....looks like they intend to stuff as many versions of Spider-man as possible into it.

Kind of disappointed that it is CGI...I mean, that was likely, but I always feel that traditional animation does a better job capturing the comic book feel. Thus said, the last Asterix movie was CGI and the best they have done so far, so there is that.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#77744: Dec 9th 2017 at 12:23:01 PM

[up][up][up] I’m just a little paranoid after the characterization nightmare that was Age of Ultron. And, in retrospect, the Avengers somewhat as well.

I still maintain that the whole fascist Loki thing made NO SENSE. Bad Whedon. I’m particularly cranky because I rewatched Thor, Avengers, Dark World, and Ragnarok in the last two weeks. Loki’s characterization in Avengers did. Not. Make. Sense.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#77745: Dec 9th 2017 at 12:24:06 PM

The CG for Into the Spider-verse looks incredible, tbh. It's a great pseudo-stop-motion look combined with a pen-and-paper aesthetic and really intense colour scheme. I hadn't heard much, but I'm really looking forward to it now.

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#77746: Dec 9th 2017 at 12:25:49 PM

I'm more accepting of Loki's Avengers characterization than most, but I did find this comparison post hilarious.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#77747: Dec 9th 2017 at 12:38:00 PM

That post is spectacular. And c’mon, God of Mischief! (Aka chaos, aka the literal opposite of fascism, Whedon)

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#77748: Dec 9th 2017 at 12:41:31 PM

Has Whedon ever made any statement explaining why he characterized Loki the way he did?

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#77749: Dec 9th 2017 at 12:44:49 PM

I don’t think so?

The funny thing is, I didn’t really notice when I saw the film in 2012. When I saw Dark World I remember thinking “oh yeah, this is Loki” without making much connection to it being different than Avengers. Wasn’t until the Thor Ragnarok and the rewatch that it hit me.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#77750: Dec 9th 2017 at 12:46:45 PM

I had the impression that that statement was ironic on Loki's part— not that he wasn't killing and torturing people in all earnest, but that there was a snideness to it, a sense that if they were all so eager to be ruled, he'd rule them, not because it was right but because he was embracing his status as the villain. I don't think it was too much of a departure from where the first Thor movie left him, but they backpedaled pretty hard from that characterization in TDW.


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