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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#77701: Dec 8th 2017 at 5:22:21 PM

[up][up] Not really. No monster for starters. Again, it is hard to describe....you would need some understanding for the German school system and the language to get the humour. Though I do think that Mexico bought the rights to make a remake which was also reasonable successful...but naturally created for Mexican sensibilities, so very different.

[up] But Time Warner and Universal being so big is okay? Remember, the alternative to Disney buying those assets was Comcast doing it.

TommyFresh Since: Aug, 2013
#77702: Dec 8th 2017 at 5:35:01 PM

Theatres just deciding not to show Disney movies is a bit of a ridiculous solution. Theatres already face issues with attendance, deciding to just not play movies from some of the most popular and profitable franchises is hardly a great idea for them. The demands Disney is making for The Last Jedi are ridiculous and no theatre wants to piss people off by not playing one of the biggest movies of the year. Not playing Disney movies would hardly make things easier on them. Disney really doesn't need nore weight to throw around.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#77704: Dec 8th 2017 at 5:56:36 PM

[up][up] The small theatres with only one screen won't play The Last Jedi because they can't afford to put a movie in their theatres for three weeks (or whatever the stipulation by Disney is) when they know that everyone who wants to see the movie in their area will have seen it within the first week, two weeks at most.

Disney will eventually start to loose money over this. There is a tipping point. But even if this point is never reached, it still doesn't change the fact that the pressure Disney can put on the theatre owners about this has nothing to do with Disney's size. This could be the only movie franchise they have and they still could dictate those term. It therefore makes no difference how many franchises Disney owns.

TommyFresh Since: Aug, 2013
#77705: Dec 8th 2017 at 6:22:48 PM

[up] How many small theatres with only one screen are even around anymore? And Disney's size means they can get away with shit like this. Sure if they were smaller then they could make demands but it would be much more harmful for them. No one would really care if films from a smaller studio don't get shown at their local theatre. But if theatres don't play the next Star Wars then audiences will probably be pissed at the theatres for not playing them instead of Disney. Because people actually care about Disney's franchises. It would hurt the theatres more than Disney.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#77706: Dec 8th 2017 at 7:11:44 PM

Don't over estimate comcast's size. Sure if they bought fox they'd controlled something like 30% of the annual Holywood revenue, but if Disney buys them they'd have over 40% it's a lesser of two evils.

Plus, if Comcast buys fox, marvel get their properties back, so Comcast t least has a smaller monopoly on I Ps.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#77707: Dec 8th 2017 at 7:39:52 PM

[up][up]Yeah, if a theatre in North America decides not to show Disney movies, after this merger happens, they'll lose access to (deep breath) Star Wars, Marvel, Avatar, Indiana Jones, Alien, the live action remakes of the animated movies, the animated Disney films, including Frozen 2, the Pixar movies, possibly the Blue Sky movies, and anything else Disney puts out that randomly happens to be a hit and anything that was on Fox's production line that I probably missed.

A theatre deliberately cutting itself off from 40%+ of the movies coming out is going to run into serious problems. And they can't just pull a local equivalent because the local equivalent is, hey look, Disney. If a town has one major theatre...well they aren't going to stand up to Disney because that would be insane. If a town has more than one...none of them are going to stand up because that would mean the other theatres getting all the revenue. The US doesn't actually have very many cross-country chains, instead having a bunch of little ones. So as long as even one theatre in a given area stays with Disney, Disney won't care.

And if Sony decides to sell off it's film and TV division, which have been teetering on the brink for years, well, Disney has an in there, what with the deal made relating to Spiderman. (So does Warner Bros, to be fair. Sony gets the occasional international license to Warner Bros movies.) But if Disney gets their hands on that, they'll literally have over 50% of the market share and no one will be able to push back against that.

edited 8th Dec '17 8:15:56 PM by Zendervai

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#77708: Dec 8th 2017 at 10:07:29 PM

[up][up] Comcast easily can keep the X-Men and Fox to sell to Disney at a higher price.

Just Makima.
ManOfSin Since: Mar, 2015
#77709: Dec 9th 2017 at 4:34:19 AM

[up][up][up]

Weren’t the Deadpool rights passed around several studios before going to Fox?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#77710: Dec 9th 2017 at 4:58:03 AM

[up][up][up] I doubt that Disney would buy Sony. If for no other reason that that they won't be able to afford another merger anytime soon after this one. We are taking about a deal which will cost them at least 60 million.

And Comcast is the second-largest pay-TV company after AT&T, largest cable TV company and largest home Internet service provider in the United States. The assets don't just include Universal, but also Illumination and Dream Works.

On an entirely different note: Ao S just introduced the notion of a Multiverse. And I mean not just name-dropping, but actually mentioning the whole theory.

edited 9th Dec '17 5:00:05 AM by Swanpride

ManOfSin Since: Mar, 2015
#77711: Dec 9th 2017 at 8:51:50 AM

I got a couple of ideas for mutants:

-In Civil War Vision said that the number of superhumans were increasing. So mutants were known.

-Say the twins weren’t the first Hydra experiments. That they started experimenting on people the moment they got their hands on the cube. Subjects were Holocaust victims and enemy soldiers.

edited 9th Dec '17 8:52:57 AM by ManOfSin

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#77712: Dec 9th 2017 at 9:16:34 AM

I like them but Mutants and the X-Men should stay out of the MCU.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#77713: Dec 9th 2017 at 9:46:21 AM

I welcome Fantastic Four coming to the MCU (mostly for the prospect of potentially seeing Dr. Doom and Galactus as foes in future films). The X-Men, I'm less enthusiastic on just because I feel like even the comics have struggled to integrate them well into the rest of the MU. They tend to work best when they're off in their own little bubble, and it raises far less questions.

My bigger concern, is whether they're all going to be "Marvel-ilized." Not a knock on the MCU specifically, but I don't want every CBM to feel like they do. Also will Marvel let them keep pushing the envelope/experimenting with different genres?

-Will Marvel let them keep making R-rated films potentially.

-Will Marvel let them experiment with different genres ala Logan and Deadpool and New Mutants.

-Will Marvel let The Gifted (which is actually quite good) stay on the air?

-Will Marvel let things like starting a movie with The Holocaust (X1) happen (they managed to mostly write Nazis out of WWII after all), or go further with the themes/ideas of the franchise?

-Etc.

We'll see I guess, but I'm cautious for now.

edited 9th Dec '17 9:51:35 AM by Punisher286

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#77715: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:01:36 AM

Why is it only Annihilus that wears clothes?

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#77716: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:03:39 AM

Because they are in charge and thus have a sense of fashion

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
ManOfSin Since: Mar, 2015
#77717: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:03:48 AM

[up]4x

Gifted is co-produced by Marvel and they are introducing the multiverse. So I see them having that eventually evolve into Exiles and have crossovers with other shows like what the DC shows do.

edited 9th Dec '17 10:04:37 AM by ManOfSin

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#77718: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:04:57 AM

[up][up][up]They make him feel good about himself. Look how happy he looks.

edited 9th Dec '17 10:05:20 AM by Unsung

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#77719: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:06:07 AM

Also,I'm pretty sure that's amour

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#77720: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:07:00 AM

[up][up]Yeah The Gifted and Legion are probably safe.

ManOfSin Since: Mar, 2015
#77721: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:42:44 AM

Speaking of multiverse, would anybody else love to see a Secret Wars film?

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#77722: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:48:03 AM

I would love it if they found a way to include Ghost Rider in the Cinematic Universe

Bonus points if they manage to convince Nicolas Cage to reprise the role!

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#77723: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:49:09 AM

Soooo, do you not watch Agents of SHIELD?

My various fanfics.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#77724: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:50:16 AM

Nope

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#77725: Dec 9th 2017 at 10:53:40 AM

Ghost Rider is in it.

This song needs more love.

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