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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#77551: Dec 5th 2017 at 7:06:48 PM

Regarding Gao, they make a pretty deliberate point of showing her nope'ing out of the fight rather than let her be "defeated" like Bakuto and Murakami were. If they were going to kill her off here I assume they'd have made it more clear.

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#77552: Dec 5th 2017 at 7:08:34 PM

[up][up] You might think so. I'm not so sure.

edited 5th Dec '17 7:08:44 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#77553: Dec 5th 2017 at 7:09:27 PM

That really only means you wouldn't like it, not that it would be a bad idea.

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#77554: Dec 5th 2017 at 7:10:24 PM

Given DD2's well-earned negative reception, I kinda just figured Netflix was dropping a bridge on the show's characters so I totally bought his death. Especially since Karen's already got plans to move on to greener pastures with the Punisher series.

...or has already moved on. Goddammit, I'm still behind.

And Foggy's pretty much washed his hand of Murdock and Nelson and has an awesome job with Hogarth's firm, which has pretty much become for the Netflix MCU what Murdock and Nelson is to the comics; the go-to law firm for every super's legal needs.

Honestly, there's sufficient closure that if Matt and Elektra had died here, nothing would feel unresolved. Well, except Fisk, but he could always be the next Defenders villain. Luke, Jessica, and Danny team up to bring down the Kingpin of Crime.

As to the Punisher show, I am planning to watch that next, yes. I'm deciding whether to keep posting my reactions here or move them over to the Punisher thread, given how recent the show is.

edited 5th Dec '17 7:14:00 PM by TobiasDrake

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#77555: Dec 5th 2017 at 7:10:47 PM

I think it could've been cool, but not if they'd tried it at the show's current budget. DD 2 was proof that they just can't really get that many plausible ninjas to a casting call, not for what they're paying extras.

The backlash to DD 2 was more of a critical controversy than anything that kept people from watching the show. The Punisher arc being as well received as it was was, if anything, proof that the show had more in the tank. Besides, they can't cancel the show until we've had Bullseye. I reject any reality in which this could be the case.

edited 5th Dec '17 7:26:30 PM by Unsung

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#77556: Dec 5th 2017 at 7:10:48 PM

[up][up][up] I'm saying that I think it would be a bad idea. I don't claim to offer anything more than my own opinion.

Perhaps I'm being too hard on it, but I suppose my perspective is that while superheroes may or may not have fascist overtones on their own (depend how they're written, really), if you put an army of cops that they don't actually need behind them, it starts to look like overkill via the cudgel of the state authority, which does edge into fascism to me.

Now, I do agree that the Defenders might have legitimate reasons to involve the cops here, but I still don't think it's a good look for them.

But that's just my two cents.

edited 5th Dec '17 7:15:10 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#77557: Dec 5th 2017 at 7:12:13 PM

It felt way too obvious to me that Matt wasn't dead. For one, there's the factor of his body not being shown as being dead. For another, they'd already announced Daredevil Season 3 like a year ago.

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#77558: Dec 5th 2017 at 7:14:17 PM

This was an edit but it got lost on last page:

And if Gao does make it out, that's just going to make the bombing even dumber. They were very specific about the idea that this bombing would destroy The Hand in its entirety, now and forever, killing every single member and ending any threat the organization could ever pose again. That was the point of the bombing. It was stupid, but it was the point.

If Gao pops up later with more magic ninjas, that's just going to make everyone explicitly idiots rather than inferred idiots.

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#77559: Dec 5th 2017 at 7:18:26 PM

Well, they are kind of idiots, regardless, yeah. They're just stumbling around in the dark. This would actually be less of a problem with the Hand weren't all kind of idiots as well, though. For what it's worth, a lot of the Hand's undead employees will presumably eventually drop dead to Alexandra Syndrome without any more dragon bone goo to sustain them. I'm not quite sure if any of the Defenders actually know this, though.

I'm guessing that, as intended in the script but not actually as seen in the show, the dragon skeleton is meant to be a lot bigger than it is on the set. That, or it's not the only one. Doing this exact thing has caused cities to be destroyed (and touched off Chernobyl's nuclear crisis), so there's got to be more to it than one little dragon.

edited 5th Dec '17 8:00:58 PM by Unsung

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#77560: Dec 5th 2017 at 7:20:05 PM

Given DD 2's well-earned negative reception, I kinda just figured Netflix was dropping a bridge on the show's characters so I totally bought his death. Especially since Karen's already got plans to move on to greener pastures with the Punisher series.

...You do realize that, while it got poorer reviews than the first season, it was still a smashing success, right? Even Iron Fist, the worst-reviewed Netflix outing, did well enough to be pretty quickly greenlit for a second season.

It's not uncommon to find people here or on other fandom-sites who disliked those shows, but they're a vocal minority compared to Average Joe Netflix Subscriber. Marvel/Netflix aren't going to pull the plug on a revenue source just because a proportionately-small number of people had a few complaints.

edited 5th Dec '17 7:21:50 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#77561: Dec 5th 2017 at 7:25:56 PM

Plus Daredevil is a record-breaking property in every regard. DD s2 being less well-received (and even then, it was still regarded as quite good television, just not as good as season 1) wouldn't really change that.

It'd be daft for Netflix to drop one of their hottest properties at first sign of trouble.

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#77562: Dec 5th 2017 at 7:31:58 PM

If marvel studios did regain the Fox character rights, would they up their slate to four films a year?

I mean, Fox puts out two superhero films a year anyway, so it wouldn't saturate the market.

Who would we want to be on the MCU X-men team?

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#77563: Dec 5th 2017 at 7:32:24 PM

I've only ever heard one part of DD2 regarded well, and that part has moved onto his own spinoff series. And like I said earlier, he took Karen with him.

I don't know. It just seemed totally believable when they were killing off the core players of DareDevil that his supporting cast would just get shifted to other shows.

Mind you, I'm glad they didn't. I want Matt to be around long enough for his secret identity to be revealed like it does every other week in the comics.

edited 5th Dec '17 7:34:44 PM by TobiasDrake

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#77564: Dec 5th 2017 at 7:39:08 PM

[up]I want to see that in the show at any cost.

edited 5th Dec '17 7:40:34 PM by fredhot16

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#77565: Dec 5th 2017 at 7:43:24 PM

It's part of a gag in recent DareDevil comics. Matt's been publicly outed as DareDevil like four times so even when he does manage to get his secret identity restored by somehow proving he's not DareDevil, no one f*cking believes him.

Even other superheroes can't keep track of whether he's publicly identified or not.

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#77566: Dec 5th 2017 at 7:44:40 PM

I know it'd kind of be ripping off Iron Man, but I want to see them end Season 3 like this.

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#77567: Dec 5th 2017 at 7:45:30 PM

"Daredevil" isn't his legal name. He just committed perjury.

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#77568: Dec 5th 2017 at 7:45:56 PM

[up][up] Me too. I f*cking loved that arc.

Wouldn't mind seeing this show up either.

edited 5th Dec '17 7:47:23 PM by TobiasDrake

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#77569: Dec 5th 2017 at 7:58:28 PM

Daredevil's identity has only actually been ousted roughly twice. Problem is the first time, in the gargantua sized arc "Out!", put the genie out of the bottle in a way that could not be put back. So he spent the remainder of his character history haunted by people sort of knowing he's DD until he gave up on the whole charade and decided to come out.

My personal theory is they're building up to that. DD S3 will be Born Again but given Fisk's behind bars and they seem to have cast the FBI agent responsible for fucking with DD's secret identity in the comics, I think they'll blend material from Murdock Papers in it, which is essentially the lead-in to Out!' (DD s4, one presumes).

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#77570: Dec 5th 2017 at 8:54:02 PM

There are loads of scenes that I want in the MCU so bad that I'd be willing to see them happen between two different characters just to have them. This scene with Spidey and Daredevil's totally unknown secret identity is one of them.

Maybe have someone doing it to Spider-Man, since he and Matt are really the only heroes with secret identities right now. That'd be rich.

Speaking of Spidey, this scene is another.

Like, if in Infinity War, Loki ends up having scenes with Peter at some point. Or if they do kill off Loki and have him resurrect as Kid Loki, and he has scenes with Peter at some point. Or if they give it to someone else and have Star Lord do it with Nebula or something.

edited 5th Dec '17 8:54:43 PM by KnownUnknown

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#77571: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:14:20 PM

I would sell a non-essential body part to hear Tom Hiddleston say those lines with a straight face.

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#77572: Dec 5th 2017 at 10:41:53 PM

edited post. never mind.

edited 5th Dec '17 10:44:44 PM by windleopard

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#77574: Dec 6th 2017 at 9:59:01 AM

I am actually more interested in the question how the rights regarding Gotham are defined. I mean the show is produced by Warner Bros, so it shouldn't be a Fox property, but what kind of distribution rights does Fox have? Most likely only for this particular show and not for Batman properties in general....still, who knows.

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#77575: Dec 6th 2017 at 10:01:32 AM

[up][up] Awesome as his idea is, it just makes me remember how much I want a Cap / Original Human Torch / Namor movie.

If anyone should get a buddy comedy with the Human Torch, it's Spider-Man.


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