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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#77526: Dec 5th 2017 at 8:20:43 AM

I just saw Iron man 2 yesterday and I must said....is not a bad movie, or to said better, the first HALF of the movie is not bad actually, is right until Tony party that the movie really goes down.

In fact, I will said the worst part of the movie is that it justified the worst of tony stark, that being reckless and secretive is a good thing as long you can science things away, also I find hilarious that Anton Vanko was a bad men for wanting to sell their inventions and yet Tony get rich because of that

Also, I know this wasnt on porpuse but....damn, Justin hammer was right, Tony did build a Sword thinking it was a Shield and Tony cant see all the bad stuff around him, the movie really sound bad if you take later marvel universe into acount.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#77527: Dec 5th 2017 at 8:39:21 AM

I just feel that Iron Fist gets unfairly a lot of flak for the problems the Defenders has, when the main problems in it are actually based on the stuff Daredevil set up as well as the show itself. Btw, I happen to like Colleen and Danny, though I do understand the issues some people have with Danny. I have an issue with the way Danny is handled in the Defenders, but that is exactly the same issue I have with most of the characters in the Defenders. Everyone but Jessica keeps acting stupid.

Anyway, the X-men: No matter what, Disney will most likely disregard everything Fox has done with them. It is actually a pretty good moment to do a reboot, since Logan worked as a pretty good wrap up for the only part of the X-men movies people actually cared about. And Deadpool, well, he works on his own rules anyway.

But if I were Marvel, I wouldn't stick the X-men into the MCU, at least not directly. I would create an X-verse for them, one which has its own into and is marketed as the "Darker version of the MCU"...meaning a movie brand which allows Marvel to set a slightly different tone. The premise: What if the Kree never came to earth to play around with Human DNA? The assumption: In this case the humans would have developed special powers on their own. And since they already had those powers, there is no Superserum program, instead they developed programs to get mutants under control. and without the Superserum program, there is no Captain America and no Hulk. Nobody ever found the Tesseract, Odin picked another planet for Thor's exile aso.

I would do the whole First Class/Watchmen thing of rewriting history under the assumption that the presence of mutants would have changed a lot. And maybe Magneto is no longer full of hatred because he was in a KZ, but because he was in a mutant camp and lost his parents to mutant experiments (no, I don't want to erase his Jewish heritage, but unless we say that Magneto doesn't age or ages slower, the whole thing with the KZ doesn't really work anymore, unless we want him to be at least 80 year old). Anyway, I would put the same work into the X-men world they put into the MCU, and then, eventually, they can do a dimension hopping crossover event. And maybe during it Storm meets Black Panther and decides to stay (if this is really such a great love story...I am not convinced it is) but is eventually forced to go back into her own reality in order to keep the balance in the universe or something like this.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#77528: Dec 5th 2017 at 8:39:33 AM

I think the only kind of connection the mutants should have to the MCU is, at most, an interdimensional thing. They barely fit into a universe with other superheroes and they certainly won't fit in the MCU. And if they try and pull the "they were always around" thing...that doesn't work either. Inhumans were always around, but they aren't exactly common knowledge. And their specific show looks like it's failing really hard.

The "Mutants are always hated" thing does not fit when there are other heroes who the public loves...especially when some of them are effectively impossible to tell apart from Mutants. Like, would the average person on the street be able to tell that Spiderman isn't a mutant? What about Daredevil or Scarlet Witch? You have to either lump all your superheroes without immediately obvious external sources for their powers into the same group as the mutants, or have a bizarre dichotomy where the public is somehow able to tell exactly who's a Mutant and who isn't...but they aren't able to tell the good guys apart from the bad.

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#77529: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:15:26 AM

So far, I just feel like DD2 and IF spilled their problems into Luke and Jessica's lap, prompting those two to shrug and start cleaning up shop.

I don't even know why Matt is here, to be honest. Like, from a character perspective, I get it. He's here 'cause his addiction to violence compels him to hit shit, and also Stick really wanted him to be involved. But of the three members of the group who suffer for not being Luke Cage, it's most glaring with him. Matt isn't a super-sleuth, he can't block tank rounds with his face, he doesn't even get to ninja it up with stealthy infiltrations and shit.

Stick tried to drop some kind of bullshit earlier about Matt being a leader, but he's done approximately zero leading either here or in his own show so Stick can bite me on that note.

Why is he here?

The most that can be said about Matt's contributions is that he's a better martial artist than Danny but I feel like Luke's got the violence covered pretty well. And besides, Danny's a Cosmic Keystone so he's obligated to be present despite being useless. But why is Matt here?

I don't really see anything about Matt that makes him more qualified to be one of the show's main characters than Colleen, Misty, or...I don't know, Castle? Any of the side characters.

I don't know. I kinda feel like this could easily have been a Luke Cage and Jessica Jones team-up with Danny as the distressed damsel and Matt making a neat cameo as their lawyer.

edited 5th Dec '17 9:17:43 AM by TobiasDrake

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#77530: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:20:22 AM

I think the emotional investment from Elektra being involved is enough to justify his presence, personally. If he teams up with them afterwards...well, they did work well together.

edited 5th Dec '17 9:20:40 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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#77531: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:23:12 AM

He's their best fighter, superpowers or no. And he's got that whole iron-willed, Man Without Fear deal going on.

They don't really do a great job with their Superhero Speciation, here. There's a lot of ways they could have found to make his super senses valuable to the team (like that hypothetical sequence with Murakami hunting them I suggested earlier, for example), but like Jessica's superjumping, it's conveniently forgotten for most of the show, in favour of some fight which, while quite nice, aren't as inventive as they really ought to have been, given that we're finally seeing these four together.

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#77532: Dec 5th 2017 at 10:17:26 AM

@Swanpride: Okay, this has been bugging me for a bit:

It's factions, not fractions.

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#77533: Dec 5th 2017 at 10:18:02 AM

I mean, technically you could call them fractions as well.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#77534: Dec 5th 2017 at 10:40:49 AM

[up][up] Thanks...I'll try to remember. It's difficult, though, because the German translation for Factions would be "Fraktionen". No idea how you lost the "r" along the way.....*looks it up*....oh, interesting, apparently the German word somehow gained the "r" along the way.

edited 5th Dec '17 10:42:42 AM by Swanpride

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it's a living
#77535: Dec 5th 2017 at 10:43:03 AM

Never had it, apparently. They're from different Latin root words. [up][nja]

edited 5th Dec '17 10:43:15 AM by Unsung

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#77536: Dec 5th 2017 at 1:42:21 PM

Thanks to the Disney-Fox deal reports, 21st Century Fox Stock Price is rising.

Actually, someone help me out. Stock price is essentially how much something's worth, right?

In other news, Star Trek Into Darkness' Alice Eve is joining season 2 of Iron Fist.

edited 5th Dec '17 1:42:38 PM by TargetmasterJoe

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#77537: Dec 5th 2017 at 1:45:18 PM

Stock price is how much it costs to buy or sell stock, which is based on how high of demand the stock is in. The more people want to buy stock in your company, the higher your stock price rises. This is most often caused by people buying stock in your company.

Conversely, when people sell stock in your company, your stock price plummets.

Good news causes your stock price to go up by way of people buying your stock. Bad news causes it to go down as people abandon ship and sell their stock. Consequentially, the stock price fluctuates not necessarily on how well the company's doing or not doing, but the perception of it. If everyone panics and sells their stock expecting a financial disaster, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy that can bankrupt your company.

The stock market is basically money wizardry. You are paying money to buy the hope that your money will one day be more money.

edited 5th Dec '17 1:47:20 PM by TobiasDrake

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#77538: Dec 5th 2017 at 1:57:56 PM

Ever wanted to see Yondu in Mary Poppins?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rezm7AJYEdw

They kind of asked for it....

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#77539: Dec 5th 2017 at 2:57:54 PM

I'm actually shedding tears, and I can't tell if it's from joy, laughter, or the hard tiny speck in my eye.

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#77540: Dec 5th 2017 at 6:36:25 PM

Here we go, final episode.

The Defenders, Episode Eight

"They will come back again and again but these will end them forever." Yeah, no, I've been thinking about this since it became a discussion point and I have to say, Colleen's still being dumb. There's no reason to believe blowing up Midland Circle will annihilate The Hand as an organization. You don't need to blow up the building to kill the remaining Three Fingers, and nobody in this room actually has any idea what they want with Danny so the dragon skeleton argument would require psychic script-reading to be a viable motivation.

Colleen is acting as though this building has some kind of mystical hold over The Hand that will cause every member to spontaneously drop dead the moment the bombs go off, and she is idiotically wrong. Cutting off the remaining Fingers would be devastating, certainly, but again: you don't need to blow up the building to do that. Shit, there's no guarantee blowing up the building would even kill them. Gao could thwart this plan through the mystical power of going somewhere else.

Colleen's plan is still dumb.

"Take down the building or The Hand takes down New York." I don't like how everyone in this conversation is acting like destroying this building would accomplish anything at all. It's not just Colleen. Like, Luke is horrified at the suggestion because it's a violation of his principles and Claire is for it because The Hand is awful and must be destroyed forever and nobody seems aware of the fact that it's just a f*cking building. This is being deliberated like they're discussing genocide when it's actually a meaningless symbolic gesture.

Like, Matt even went out of his way last episode to point out that nobody's in the building. Not one single magic ninja will be harmed by the demolition. Yet they're still talking like this will kill every single one of The Hand's membership instantly, ending their threat forever.

This is the dumbest climax in Netflix Marvel's history.

"These people will come after our friends. They've shown no signs of talking." JESS!!! Not you too! You're supposed to be my spirit animal, but you too are buying into the idea that this demolition will instantly purge all magic ninjas from existence.

"We'll all sleep easier once they're gone." That. That right there. Lines like that are exactly what I’m talking about. They are clearly talking about killing every single member of The Hand, purging their membership through a total genocidal massacre. By blowing up an empty building. So. F*cking. Stupid.

"If we do this, no one but those Hand monsters gets hurt." Again. Clearly assuming the demolition means genocide.

Gao suggests that the removal of the Substance will cause New York to collapse into a sinkhole, killing millions of people. Okay, sure, so…explain that earthquake earlier? Because they didn't have access to the dragon bones then, so it's not like that was the first tremor of the impending collapse like this episode seems to be implying.

"Colleen, the three of them have certain abilities—" "I can fight." Pfft, no, you can't.

"Promise me that you won't fail him again." Yeah, f*ck you too. While you're off in Sidekicksville with Claire, maybe see if you can find a motivation or character trait that doesn't revolve around a man. Just saying.

"I'll let you know when the teams are assembled, sir." "Okay, Knight. If you still work here by then." Appropriate response. Misty repeatedly tried to convince them to lay off of a group now suspected of domestic terrorism. And rightly suspected, mind you. This bombing is so dumb on every conceivable level.

"If what Jessica says is true, this Hand organization is powerful. They could have quashed the story." I wouldn't worry about it. Anyone at your station that might be affiliated with them has apparently been drawn to Midland Circle by the powers of narrative to abruptly die in an explosion.

"I'm glad we found each other." "I'm not hugging you." I love Luke and Jess's utter lack of f*cks given to Matt's attempt at having a team-building moment. [lol]

Hey look, Bakuto conveniently happens to be where Claire and Colleen are planting the bombs. What are the odds? Y'know, I'm sure I'm supposed to be excited for this, but we already got Colleen's climactic showdown against Bakuto. I was kinda hoping that he'd do literally anything in this show besides generically prolonging her arc.

There's nothing new or interesting about Colleen battling Bakuto again. That's just unnecessarily prolonging Colleen's arc from Iron Fist for lack of anything else to do with her. I'd honestly rather see her fight Gao or Murakami.

It drags down Bakuto as well. Pretty much his entire role in this show has been to be her Revenge Villain. He has a bare minimum of participation in the group scenes and follows orders like a good minion; the only thing he really takes initiative on is f*cking with Colleen, because his entire character and motivation now revolves around how he will get his archnemesis one day, nyah hah hah hah. From one of the most interesting members of The Hand to a boring obligatory presence here to make it seem like any of the writers f*cking care about Colleen by just straight-up lifting their conflict from Iron Fist and pasting it into Defenders.

"Claire, what the hell is going on?!" Domestic terrorism. Weren't you paying attention to your boss?

I like how Danny's shirt has fallen open to reveal his dragon tattoo while he's fighting in the dragon bones. That's a nice bit of imagery, reminding us of his role and purpose without actually having to state, "By the way, guys, he's the IRON FIST. The IRON FIST. He's so IRON FIST," for the umpteenth time.

"You desecrate Shou-Lao." "You punched him in the heart." Wait, are these dragon bones supposed to be Shou-Lao? That makes, like, negative sense.

"Tell me, what would you give to hold her hand again?" See, unlike Colleen v. Bakuto Round Two, this scene seems to be building up to a serious fight scene between Danny and Gao and that's actually interesting because we've never gotten that. Throughout all of Iron Fist, Danny and Gao never seriously fought. It's always been an open question as to whether he can take her, with good money on "Probably not." This makes for a compelling confrontation in the climactic final episode.

"It's time has come to fall." Danny rushes her and she drops his ass with a single strike to the chest. Eeyup. That's about right.

[lol] Murakami from behind. So were Elektra and Murakami just standing behind Danny watching Gao emotionally dissect him and giggling to each other this entire time? I'm headcanoning that they were!

"So how are we going to handle it?" I'm still thinking the plan is that Luke bullrushes through stomping thirty ninjas into the dirt while Matt and Jess go get popcorn, but maybe that's just me.

Quick question: why is Danny alive? The Hand has what they came for. Murakami's holding a blade to Danny's neck, but why even bother? He is no longer of value. Slit his throat now and then deal with the other three.

It's not like Murakami is prone to fits of mercy.

I like how completely not surprised Elektra is when Matt and Luke swing in and start hitting people. She's like, "Wow, that fakeout was entirely pointless because we all knew exactly what was about to happen." I feel ya, girl.

Jessica even says, "Don't shoot," but not a single person in the room seems to even have a firearm. They all launch into fisticuffs as soon as violence breaks out. Luke's ambush plan was totally unnecessary and accomplished nothing.

"I'll give you one last chance to experience it with me. To be who you were meant to be." [lol] "Last" chance. Dude, last time she was with you, you tried to turn her into a non-consensual blood donor.

"I don't need you anymore." Yeah, yeah, we've seen all this. Can we get back to the other fight?

Luke is hilarious in the big crowd fight scene. Everyone's just giving their all except Luke, who's standing there with no f*cks given on his face casually shoving people into shit. His powerset is wasted on this battle.

Hey, Danny finally managed to glow his hand for more than one punch. Not that it seems to be doing anything after that first shockwave blow, mind, but it's glowing!

Luke proceeds to No-Sell everything Murakami's got and smash him. Eeyup. That's about right.

Ooo, Elektra with the choke out. She's the only one here who actually bothered to come up with a plan for the invulnerable guy.

Danny looks super dismayed as the Iron Fist goes out. That's okay, Danny. After that first punch, it was just cosmetic anyway.

"Asshole, I will put you down." Why are you walking towards him? That's dumb. Your gun can function at distance. That's the purpose of a gun. Getting into his melee range is just inviting him to disarm you. Misty is a terrible cop.

Oh, hey, she shot him. Good on her. Didn't do anything, but she did, and that made me happy.

Hey, Misty finally lost her arm! Now she can get a sweet robot arm!

Also, I stand corrected. This isn't a rehash of Iron Fist's conclusion. It's much shittier. This time, Colleen doesn't even get to defeat Bakuto herself. No, it takes three female characters dogpiling on his face to make Colleen's victory possible. Yay.

Yeah, like I said before, Elektra has to have super-strength. She's still throwing Luke around with her blows and this time she doesn't have the excuse of him being drugged.

"I know I can get through to her." Are you still on about that? She killed Stick.

…oh, shit, this is an excuse, isn't it? He's planning to make sure she stays here and is buried in the explosion, sacrificing himself in the process.

All of these ninjas attacking them while climbing the elevator make me seriously confused as to why none of them bothered to just take the elevator.

"We can still walk out of here together." So a little from column A and a little from column B.

"There is goodness in you." There's goodness in most people, but it only means anything if they act on it.

And there goes Murakami, I think? They focused on him all dramatically as he fell so I assume it's Murakami, but the fighting was blurry and hard to make out and he honestly wasn't very meaningful in it, so it's hard to tell.

Kind of a waste of a character, end of the day. They built him up all badass, but he never really did anything.

"Gao, what is happening?" "The end." Is Gao seriously going to end this undefeated but being unceremoniously killed off by the building explosion? That's badass and lame all at once.

And down comes the building right on top of Matt and Elektra. I think this is Marvel's way of announcing that DareDevil Season Three is officially cancelled due to the incredibly shitty reception of the second season. tongue

I mean, that does answer why Matt's here. He's here to die, right along with Elektra and Stick. Marvel's abandoning ship as hard as they can on his franchise and salting the earth so nothing can ever grow again.

Uh, no, episode. Luke, Danny, and Jessica don't get to walk dramatically into Misty's office to reunite with their friends and leave Foggy and Karen to realize Matt isn't coming. All three of these people are under arrest for domestic terrorism. They're going to be in jail for a very long time. Claire and Colleen too.

"It's over. That's all that matters." We're seriously not even going to address the elephant in the room that is all of these people committing a massive felony and going to jail forever?

"Think of how many lives you saved!" And no, that doesn't explain it. The existence of a giant dragon skeleton under the city that would have caused a massive sinkhole if they didn't blow up Midland Circle is conjecture. There is no evidence of it.

"The NYPD didn't file any reports so the city can't file any charges." Neither does that. There is no reason for the NYPD not to file any reports. All they know is that these people stole C-4 and 9/11'd Midland Circle. In New York.

"If you'd been there, you would have seen. He made the right call." Kind words. Bullshit, but kind. Claire was with Colleen and Misty the whole time. She wasn't there for his call any more than Foggy was.

"I can't help but feel like he didn't." Foggy's totally right. Matt chose to die pointlessly with Elektra. This wasn't heroism, this was suicide. Claire tries to argue the point but, again, she wasn't there and has no idea what she's talking about.

"I just came to say that I'm really, really glad it wasn't you." Kiss her, you fool! I mean don't, because Claire, but…maybe let things end with Claire? I really like Jessiluke and I want it to be a thing again.

"Even if I reveal what happened at Midland Circle—" Yeah, I'm gonna stop you right there, because Luke, Matt, and Jessica 9/11'd a major skyscraper. People are already going to be investigating that with or without your story. There is no way to cover this up. It is still frankly unbelievable that Luke and Jess aren't in prison right now.

Holy shit, Matt's alive. I'll be honest, I didn't expect that. I figured Danny was going to take up his mantle and become the new Devil of Hell's Kitchen or something. And he's in a convent? That's confusing. How did nuns dig him out of the rubble? So many questions. So I guess DD3 is happening after all.

And that was Defenders. Started off really strong, but then wasted a lot of its potential. Elektra wound up dragging the show down a lot and the genre constraints of keeping the cops out and letting the heroes get away with murder - literally, in fact; murder is actually the least of their crimes in that finale - were extremely noticeable and poorly justified. The villains wound up being totally wasted in their roles.

But there was also a lot to like. Luke and Jessica were consistently awesome and Stick was amazing to have around, with a really strong sendoff for the character. Alexandra was charming up until she got supplanted as Big Bad. Also, Danny got the shit beat out of him both physically and verbally a lot, so that was really fun. In its visceral moments, where stuff is happening, the show excels. It's the plot that sucks.

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#77541: Dec 5th 2017 at 6:45:27 PM

"You desecrate Shou-Lao." "You punched him in the heart." Wait, are these dragon bones supposed to be Shou-Lao? That makes, like, negative sense.

It's not Shao-Lao, but desecrating any dragon is desecrating him. It's a religious symbolism and respect thing.

Uh, no, episode. Luke, Danny, and Jessica don't get to walk dramatically into Misty's office to reunite with their friends and leave Foggy and Karen to realize Matt isn't coming. All three of these people are under arrest for domestic terrorism. They're going to be in jail for a very long time. Claire and Colleen too.

Yeeep. That's why the cops fighting beside the Defenders would have been better. Give them a reason to forgive and forget instead of some vague implication of money and lawyers.

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#77542: Dec 5th 2017 at 6:50:22 PM

Yeah the climax of the show felt rushed at best, and poorly thought-out/stupid at worst. And The Defenders as a whole was, disappointing.

And yeah, the idea that they can topple a skyscraper, with explosives stolen from a police evidence locker (wow the NYPD suck at their jobs in the MCU it would seem), in NEW YORK CITY, and just get let go, is REALLY stupid.

edited 5th Dec '17 6:51:54 PM by Punisher286

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#77543: Dec 5th 2017 at 6:50:56 PM

[up][up][up]

Wait so are you gonna try and do The Punisher next?

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
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#77544: Dec 5th 2017 at 6:52:28 PM

Shou-Lao is repeatedly refered to as "The Undying". His corpse is left behind and he resurrects.

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#77545: Dec 5th 2017 at 6:54:15 PM

I actually wouldn't want cops fighting alongside the Defenders for a few reasons, chief among them because I think that "Cops vs. Ninjas" would look kind of stupid (and yes, I realize that this is a comic book adaptation, but I have a line, and I think that would cross it).

Perhaps it's because I'm envisioning the Defenders bringing an army of cops to the final fight in the cavern, which would make things really crowded, but even if they managed it in a way that would work...I think the ethos of the various Netflix series requires a friction between the heroes and the police that wouldn't really allow such an alliance to work.

(There's also my personal feelings about potentially lionizing the police in this day and age, but perhaps that's not really relevant here.)

edited 5th Dec '17 6:54:51 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#77546: Dec 5th 2017 at 6:58:44 PM

The point is, it makes no sense in-universe not to involve the police. Especially if the actual plan is to just blow up the entire building. It's purely a case of genre conventions and it makes the climax feel even dumber than it needs to.

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#77547: Dec 5th 2017 at 6:58:51 PM

Superheroes with cop armies look cool.

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#77548: Dec 5th 2017 at 7:01:23 PM

Yep, that was it. Really kinda petered out at the end. The fight scenes and some of the character moments were cool, but it never fully lived up to my potential. The buildup in the first three episodes, that fight at Midland Circle and their little get-together at the Royal Dragon made were enough to make me glad the attempt was made, but it was all downhill from there.

It's not clear how Matt got out, but I was pretty sure even as I was watching it happen that he, Elektra, and Gao were all almost certainly going to survive. (Gao still had to be around to corrupt Joy and Davos.) I wouldn't be surprised at this point if Gao had her own secret escape route, a backdoor to one of the Seven Cities, or teleportation magic, and, powered by dragon bones, Elektra followed along, carrying Matt out with her, only to leave him in his mother's convent.

edited 5th Dec '17 7:08:56 PM by Unsung

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#77549: Dec 5th 2017 at 7:05:19 PM

[up][up] Eh...debatable. Put an army of cops behind Superman, for example, and I think the big man starts to look like a dictator.

Personally, I don't think i would work well with the Defenders. Perhaps it would have been a more sensible story decision, but I'd prefer they Take a Third Option on that front.

edited 5th Dec '17 7:07:41 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#77550: Dec 5th 2017 at 7:06:36 PM

It'd be better than what we got.


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