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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#77151: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:50:18 PM

I can't believe all of this is going down, and this is only gonna be one half of this finale to the current MCU. What will happen in the second half is what I'm curious about...

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#77152: Nov 29th 2017 at 9:11:27 PM

I expect him to end this one missing a Stone - I feel like if he had all of them, the threat would be a bit too immediate to have two movies in between Avengers films, even if one of them is primarily set in the past (was Ant-Man and the Wasp confirmed to be set between the two?).

The Captain Marvel film is taking place during the 90's. Seems like a character origin film to explain who she is when she shows up at the end of IW.

And Ant-Man and the Wasp seems that it'll take place in the Quantum Realm during IW. They'll probably be made aware of what's happening at the end of the movie.

So Captain Marvel, Ant-Man and the Wasp are "the Calvary Arrives" characters.

BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#77153: Nov 29th 2017 at 9:47:37 PM

[up] And possibly Adam Warlock if this film pulls a Vision on us and have him debut in this film, with Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 dealing with the Universial Church of Truth and its leader the Magus (Adam’s future evil self).

Not sure about the tv characters though. Since Agents of SHIELD (which is the definitely in the same universe) hardly ever interacted with the main heroes but may give Quake, Ghost Rider and if possible Phil, the Netflix Series (which is kind of in the same universe) might not appear but it would be cool to have Luke Cage, Iron Fist and Jessica get involve since canonically they are Avengers (Daredevil is still kinda sort of dead and Punisher is doing his own thing . . . so much for having the heroes from the best Netflix series). and Inhumans . . fuck em (I would of like to see Crystal and Lockjaw join but considering how bad the show is I say they stay out of this).

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#77154: Nov 29th 2017 at 9:55:01 PM

"Introducing" Luke, Jessica, etc to the film universes by having there being setpieces of attacks across NY and scenes of individuals - including the Netflix characters - fighting back amongst others wouldn't be such a bad idea. As they don't steal the show, easing them in with cameos would work.

The Agents of SHIELD characters would be practically effortless to introduce, though. Ultron made it clear to the moviegoing audience that SHIELD still exists - mostly to back up the Avengers - and any of the main characters (sans Coulson), gifted or not, could be introduced as people trusted by Fury.

edited 29th Nov '17 9:55:51 PM by KnownUnknown

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#77155: Nov 29th 2017 at 10:05:13 PM

The movie's pretty bloated as-is. I don't think we can expect anything- not even a cameo -from the television department.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#77156: Nov 29th 2017 at 11:26:08 PM

Seems like people are having fun with Thanos's face in the trailer.

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#77157: Nov 29th 2017 at 11:33:29 PM

Can Homer collect the six Infinity Sprinkles for his Infinity Donut, or will he be foiled by the Grimesvengers?

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MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#77158: Nov 30th 2017 at 12:21:32 AM

Speaking of having fun with Thanos' face, a lot of people over on Tumblr are pointing out how much he seems to resemble Joss Whedon, and debating whether it's a coincidence or...

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#77159: Nov 30th 2017 at 12:24:23 AM

I really don't see it.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#77160: Nov 30th 2017 at 1:24:01 AM

Huh I see it.

Now that the thought is put into my head there is a resemblance maybe.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#77161: Nov 30th 2017 at 2:05:59 AM

Not really seeing it aside from the fact that both are bald, though Google Images shows other people are thinking the same thing. It was Joss Whedon's idea to put Thanos in the original Avengers in the first place, so if it is intentional, that's probably why.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#77162: Nov 30th 2017 at 2:38:19 AM

Here is my theory (mind you, theory, but based on the trailer and what we have seen in the movies so far, so maybe I might hit the mark with some of my ideas):

The movie starts with Thanos stealing the powerstone from Xandar, which prompts the Nova Corps to send the Got G after him (or they follow on their own). Thanos discovers the Asguadian ship and attacks due to wanting the Infinity stone, which leads to the first big fight. It ends with Thor being pushed into space and Loki reacting by using the space stone to send Hulk to earth (so that he can warn Doctor strange) and pulling off an elaborate trick to convince Thanos that he has killed everyone on the ship already. Thanos gets the space stone and Loki, Heimdal ends up alone on the ship, now having to lead the Asguardians to earth.

Meanwhile Thor falls through space and ends up smashing against the Milano. Upon learning that most of the other infinity stones are on Earth, Peter is even more determined to catch up with Thanos. Thanos on the other hand gotten from Loki the information where the reality stone, the time stone and the mind stone are located (he naturally only wanted to know where the mind stone is, but Loki had more information in store). He uses the space stone to send his helpers to New York (where the time stone is) with the task to get it and figure out where the mind stone ended up, and travels to Knowwhere to fetch the reality stone.

Anyway after a number of fights (during which Tony decides to finally use the phone and calls for help), Thanos has all infinity stones but one, and the last movie will be about finding a way to stop him once and for all.

About characters dying: I am not sure if anyone dies this movie, but if it happens, it has to be a permanent death.

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#77163: Nov 30th 2017 at 2:43:14 AM

[up] And it better not be fucking Peter Parker as the other user said, and making it temporary would cheapen it.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#77164: Nov 30th 2017 at 2:48:41 AM

It would be idiotic to kill Peter...even if there is a resurrection down the line, it has to be a character we would at least believe could stay dead. And that is pretty much everyone BUT Peter, because we already know that there is another Spider-man movie with him scheduled for Phase 4. Though Black Panther and Doctor Strange should be save for similar reasons. Nobody would buy that they already kill of their big franchise starters.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#77165: Nov 30th 2017 at 4:16:22 AM

It now has been roughly 24 hours since the trailer dropped and it is still trending on number one and has a view count of more than 40.000.000 just for the English version.

I am really curious what the official number Marvel will give out will be, but I am ready to bet that it is another record.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#77166: Nov 30th 2017 at 4:26:37 AM

Honestly, does it really matter that much outside of popularity contests?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#77167: Nov 30th 2017 at 4:28:08 AM

Why is anyone entertaining the thought of Spider-Man dying?

edited 30th Nov '17 4:28:20 AM by VeryMelon

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#77168: Nov 30th 2017 at 4:30:56 AM

[up][up] It does matter because it is the first indicator for box office and is a GREAT way to shut everyone blabbering around about "superhero fatigue".

Marvel put a lot of money in Avengers 3 and 4, they need to crack the billion mark with both of them so that this pays off. And if it doesn't we wont get to see a movie of this scale anytime soon.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#77169: Nov 30th 2017 at 5:00:30 AM

And possibly Adam Warlock if this film pulls a Vision on us and have him debut in this film, with Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 dealing with the Universial Church of Truth and its leader the Magus (Adam’s future evil self).

They've already said Adam won't be in the movie, and honestly, it makes little sense to have him here in the first place. He played a major role in the comic version because he's Thanos' Arch-Nemesis, and thus had the necessary experience with him to formulate a plan to help the heroes take him down. The MCU Adam is basically a newborn and likely has no connection to Thanos.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#77170: Nov 30th 2017 at 5:58:54 AM

> Why is anyone entertaining the thought of Spider-Man dying?

so we can blame Tony Stark afterwards

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#77171: Nov 30th 2017 at 6:09:17 AM

Because he's a kid and people want to see kids get murdered, apparently. Look, I'm all for Peter Parker dying, but it has to be much later, in Spiderman 3 at least, with appearances in Avengers films in-between. Only then can Peter Parker die and Miles Morales be introduced.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#77172: Nov 30th 2017 at 6:26:56 AM

Speaking of Spiderman,do you think they'll ever attempt to do something like the Clone Saga?

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#77174: Nov 30th 2017 at 6:38:09 AM

How come?

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#77175: Nov 30th 2017 at 7:01:50 AM

People hate the Clone Saga. Though everyone hates Civil War too and that ended up being a good movie, so who knows.


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