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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#77126: Nov 29th 2017 at 7:48:06 PM

Don't you just hate when there's a spider in your shower and you gotta squash it?

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#77127: Nov 29th 2017 at 7:49:38 PM

...okay that was a hell of a trailer. I love it already.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#77129: Nov 29th 2017 at 7:54:11 PM

@Mad Skillz: I'd actually prefer if Peter didn't die, since we know he'll be in another movie soon - granted, I expect at least some sort of Reset Button, I'd prefer if we didn't kill off characters for the sake of cheap drama, especially when it'll be people we know will get brought back. Save the dramatic death scenes for people will either stay dead, or ones we don't know will come back to life.

edited 29th Nov '17 7:54:33 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#77130: Nov 29th 2017 at 7:55:03 PM

Also, not the little baby boy.

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#77131: Nov 29th 2017 at 7:57:10 PM

Its weird how round Thanos' chin looks.

I'm used to him having a very square jaw.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#77132: Nov 29th 2017 at 7:58:51 PM

[up][up]Fun isn't something one considers when discussing character deaths.

But this... does put a smile on my face.

edited 29th Nov '17 7:59:03 PM by Gaon

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shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#77133: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:05:32 PM

Everyone is speculating which Avengers is going to die, I'm sitting here moaning Black Widow's red hair. Scar Jo looks so... bland with blonde.

edited 29th Nov '17 8:05:39 PM by shatterstar

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#77134: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:08:19 PM

"Hey, I don't wanna dye my hair red anymore."

"Yeah, sure, fuck it. You barely act in these things, anyway. Why put in any effort whatsoever?"

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#77135: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:13:09 PM

I'd actually prefer if Peter didn't die, since we know he'll be in another movie soon - granted, I expect at least some sort of Reset Button, I'd prefer if we didn't kill off characters for the sake of cheap drama, especially when it'll be people we know will get brought back. Save the dramatic death scenes for people will either stay dead, or ones we don't know will come back to life.

Doesn't have to be for cheap drama. Nothing develops characters like death and handling it. Peter's death would be on Tony's shoulders. And that's something that he'll have to deal with and handle. That's why I think it'd be a great story for him.

You could kill Tony off though and do that with Peter but Peter's already gone through a similar moment. You know the surrogate father dying.

I think the surrogate son dying for his father is a stronger moment though.

"In peace, sons bury their fathers. In war, fathers bury their sons."

Basically, I'm envisioning the ending of Pinocchio.

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#77136: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:16:21 PM

I mean, I get what you're saying, and I even agree with you to an extent, but...I dunno, I guess I just don't like the idea of killing of Peter. Just feels weird to me.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#77137: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:17:57 PM

Awesome trailer and a lot to unpack, although one of my thoughts is that without his helmet, Thanos seems to be a Ballchinian, and there's something disturbingly phallic about his entire face.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#77138: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:22:25 PM

Awesome trailer and a lot to unpack, although one of my thoughts is that without his helmet, Thanos seems to be a Ballchinian, and there's something disturbingly phallic about his entire face.

I'm okay with this. It makes him creepier.

Speaking of Thanos, the Russos want to turn Thanos into a cultural icon for the new generation. Like Darth Vader. Here's hoping they succeed.

Thanos is already the biggest bad guy in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but Avengers: Infinity War director Joe Russo wants to turn him into a cultural icon.

Speaking to Comic Book.com at Comic-Con International: San Diego, Russo says he wants to put Thanos on the same level as Darth Vader, the instantly recognizable villain of the Star Wars universe.

“The stakes are incredibly high,” Russo says of the situation in Avengers: Infinity War. “I wanted to turn Thanos into Darth Vader for a new generation. He’s an incredibly intense character. Sociopathic. He takes no prisoners. I think the audience needs to be prepared when they go see these movies.”

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#77139: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:22:56 PM

I noticed Wanda isn't in the Wakanda fight. Wonder where she is.

Love this gif so much.◊ He looks like a twitchy bug just after you squashed it.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#77140: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:24:06 PM

Thanos is on a quest for the Infinity Stones to adorn his Infinity Gauntlet, thus granting him infinite power. When asked how this quest affects the structure of Avengers: Infinity War, Russo brought up his and his brother and co-director Anthony Russo’s habit of using popular films as touchpoints.

“Structurally, with this first film, Avengers 3, we’ve been using smash and grab ‘90s heist films,” he says. “There’s a real urgency to the film and it adds a level of excitement and relentlessness to the movie. It's a lot of divergent narratives coming together into a climax.”

Yeah, I can definitely see the heist film elements.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#77141: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:25:05 PM

[up]The leaked clip from earlier in the week where he's torturing the Collector to get him to tell where the Reality Stone is hidden is straight out of a 90's heist movie.

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#77142: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:26:37 PM

Upon further analysis, I think I've figured out the big twist of this movie. Not sure how accurate to the comics it is but I'm fairly confident that I've got it right: Thanos is actually just a mutant grape.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#77143: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:27:10 PM

I mean, I get what you're saying, and I even agree with you to an extent, but...I dunno, I guess I just don't like the idea of killing of Peter. Just feels weird to me.

Probably because it feels too edgy/brutal and/or because no one will believe they killed Spider-Man off. It also gives the game away that they're going to do a resurrection. That's what I'm guessing.

But the Russos describe Thanos as "the take no prisoners" villain. Seems like he's the type to finish off opponents if he can and will be utterly ruthless.

@comic That's the exact thing that I was thinking of.

edited 29th Nov '17 8:27:46 PM by MadSkillz

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#77144: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:31:19 PM

I wonder how Hulk gets back to Earth.

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#77145: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:31:46 PM

[up][up] Yeah, something like that. Plus, he's only been in two MCU movies, so it feels a bit early to go "Holy shit, Spider-Man's dead, they're playing for keeps now!" Granted, it's Spider-Man, but even then, we know he won't stay dead

I feel like you could still do the "Tony fucks up" narrative if Peter just got badly injured or something.

Also, if Peter dies, then gets resurrected...would the next Spider-Man movie need to address this? And if it did, would it take away time from other stories that they wanted to tell? I suppose you could theoretically bring him back with no memory of his death, but that feels like a bigger cheat than just bringing him back...

[up] Space Stone? Either sent by Thanos to get rid of him, or perhaps more interestingly, by Loki in order to warn Earth/prevent him and Thor from stopping him from handing the Stone over to Thanos.

edited 29th Nov '17 8:33:17 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#77146: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:32:53 PM

The "divergent narratives coming together into a climax" part sounds about right. The question is: will Thanos go down in this film or is he going to last until Avengers 4?

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#77147: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:33:52 PM

I mean, if he goes down here, I have no idea what the plot of Avengers 4 would be.

Generally speaking, an adaptation of Infinity Gauntlet ought to have Thanos assemble the Infinity Gauntlet, and then not get Worfed in 5 minutes.

edited 29th Nov '17 8:35:09 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#77148: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:34:46 PM

I think it's pretty self-evident this is the Empire Strikes Back of the Avengers. Thanos will end this movie holding all the cards and cackling maniacally as the world crashes and burns.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#77149: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:38:01 PM

I expect him to end this one missing a Stone - I feel like if he had all of them, the threat would be a bit too immediate to have two movies in between Avengers films, even if one of them is primarily set in the past (was Ant-Man and the Wasp confirmed to be set between the two?).

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#77150: Nov 29th 2017 at 8:44:00 PM

[up]I think Ant-Man & The Wasp is set between the two Avengers movies, yes. There was a leaked plot synopsis that says Scott starts out the film under house arrest, which would explain why he apparently doesn't show up in the first Infinity War film.

edited 29th Nov '17 8:44:07 PM by comicwriter


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