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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#77101: Nov 29th 2017 at 5:01:00 PM

Speaking of which, Mad Skillz, if you expect half the heroes to die here (I personally think that number's a bit high), who do you think will bite the dust?

Oh God! Natural light!
MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#77102: Nov 29th 2017 at 5:07:08 PM

If they kill off Steve, I'm going to be pissed as hell. If they kill off Steve and let Tony live, I'm done with Marvel for good. Those are the only thoughts I have about this at the moment.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#77103: Nov 29th 2017 at 5:10:19 PM

[up][up][up][up] As far as we know Thanos might never be in New York himself. The scene where he is fighting the Avengers is on an alien planet. What is likely is he sends his goons to New York to get the Time Stone from Strange early on but that fails.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#77104: Nov 29th 2017 at 5:10:31 PM

[up][up] Well, if nothing else, this is a pretty good jumping off point.

I'd be fine with it, personally, though I'd probably be fine with any outcome for the two of them, though I'd like at least one of them to die, if only to shut up the people who say that Marvel won't kill off characters.

[up] The way the scene is framed makes it difficult to tell where he is (which is probably intentional on the part of the trailer.

edited 29th Nov '17 5:11:28 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer
#77105: Nov 29th 2017 at 5:11:24 PM

Steve is probably the oy character left alive after evryone else is killed.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#77106: Nov 29th 2017 at 5:11:51 PM

If Thanos has the Reality Stone then he would have had it in the trailer when he's on Earth.

The trailer only shows Thanos with Space and Power when he arrives so we can presume that the Reality Stone has been successfully protected and smuggled away.

And it can't be that Thanos goes after the Reality Stone after he's done with Earth because that seems to be the climax. The pacing is off if Thanos goes after the Collector after he decimated our heroes.

The clear order seems to be Thanos going after the Cosmic Stones while the Black Order goes after the Earth Stones.

Thanos route: Thor/Loki/Hulk and Space Stone(succeeds) -> Xandar/Nova Corps and Power Stone(succeeds) -> The Collector and Reality Stone (fails) -> Earth

The Black Order simultaneously goes after the Stones on Earth while Thanos is in space but presumably they all fail as Thanos doesn't have another gem when he's fighting Spider-Man and Iron Man.

edited 29th Nov '17 5:23:20 PM by MadSkillz

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#77107: Nov 29th 2017 at 5:12:16 PM

No one is safe,not even Peter.

[up] [up]

edited 29th Nov '17 5:13:18 PM by Ultimatum

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#77108: Nov 29th 2017 at 5:17:20 PM

FUCK YOU, LEAVE MY BABY BOY ALONE.

My various fanfics.
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#77109: Nov 29th 2017 at 5:20:02 PM

Hmm...is it possible that some of the Black Order manage to obtain one or more of the Infinity Stones, and simply are unable to give them to Thanos when he fights Tony and the others? I sense that Simultaneous Arcs will be in play here.

Oh God! Natural light!
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#77110: Nov 29th 2017 at 5:22:56 PM

Speaking of which, Mad Skillz, if you expect half the heroes to die here (I personally think that number's a bit high), who do you think will bite the dust?

I'm guessing the ones that are brought back are the ones that are actually going to live overall and have roles post-Avengers 4 and some of the ones that live in Avengers 3 are going to die for good in Avengers 4.(You can't do consecutive deaths for the same character without hurting the drama.)

So people who I expect to die in Avengers 3: Spider-Man, the Hulk, Vision, maybe Hawkeye, Bucky, Wong, the Falcon, Thor, Gamora, Drax, and War Machine

I'm guessing that one of the main thrusts for Avengers 4 is getting the Time Stone and undoing everyone's deaths. Plus it focuses the movie more for Avengers 4 if the cast is smaller.

And I expect the actual people to die for good in Avengers 4 are Captain America, Black Widow, maybe Hawkeye if he doesn't die in Avengers 3 and potentially Tony Stark (but at the very least I think he retires).

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#77111: Nov 29th 2017 at 5:28:01 PM

Pretty sure I remember reading Chris Hemsworth and Sebastian Stan were shooting scenes for Avengers 4. And Stan mentioned in a recent interview his character has a bit of an arc over these two movies. So it's unlikely either of them will die in 3.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#77112: Nov 29th 2017 at 5:33:38 PM

I'm betting that Nebula will be dying at some point. I don't see much of a role for her post-Thanos.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#77113: Nov 29th 2017 at 5:38:18 PM

@Alley I'm expecting them to die in Avengers 3 and be brought back in Avengers 4. Said arc can still be there.

But if Bucky survives Avengers 3(and has an arc) then I expect Steve to die in Avengers 3 then as Bucky assumes the mantle for a year until Steve can be resurrected.

Although I feel like Captain America dying for good in Avengers 4 would make for the greatest ending for his character. Chris Evans seems he wants to do directing and has successors in the Falcon and Bucky.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#77114: Nov 29th 2017 at 5:41:52 PM

I truly want for both Cap and Tony to die. It's a nice ending to their arcs. Cap as the grand hero, "God's righteous man" who can't live without a war and Iron Man as a final atonement for his sins.

Thor I'm also partial. I'd like seeing him go in a grand Viking-style Last Stand.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
MasterSon from a barren ice field Since: Aug, 2017
#77115: Nov 29th 2017 at 5:47:15 PM

Anyone wonder how Captain America's character gets his shield back?

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#77116: Nov 29th 2017 at 5:49:58 PM

Wakanda probably builds him another one or Tony gives it back to Captain America.

Someone made a nice catch in the trailer. That's the phone that Cap left for Tony at the end of Civil War.

HisInfernalMajesty Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#77117: Nov 29th 2017 at 5:52:48 PM

Nebula will likely live to take the gauntlet from Thanos (more likely in Avengers 4), just as she did in the comics. I feel like they've built up her revenge arc too much to just kill her off. That was the joy of the comic was all these heroes fighting Thanos and Nebula, who was kinda just forgotten about in the background getting abused the whole time, stepping in and taking the gauntlet for herself when Thanos thought he had no further use for it.

I doubt it'll play out exactly the same, but nonetheless I severely doubt Nebula's going anywhere soon. If anyone deserves to really stick it to Thanos, it's her. And maybe Drax. Apparently the Black Order have been rolled into being Thanos's adopted kids as well, so I'm sure Nebula and Gamora'll have some fun interactions with them.

"A king has no friends. Only subjects and enemies."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#77118: Nov 29th 2017 at 6:20:47 PM

Man that trailer was total hype. [awesome]

So thrilled for this. grin

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#77119: Nov 29th 2017 at 6:43:17 PM

I read a theory that Spider-man steps through one of those portal machines, finds Thanos there who beats him to near-death, Iron Man goes to rescue him who also gets beat down, Thanos leaves to Earth and Tony Stark is left with a dying Peter.

The trailer begins with Tony seemingly holding someone's hand in that orange tinted area.

And the leaked trailer shows a maskless Spider-Man in the same area being held by Tony as he says desperately over and over again "that he's sorry".

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#77120: Nov 29th 2017 at 6:48:55 PM

I truly want for both Cap and Tony to die. It's a nice ending to their arcs. Cap as the grand hero, "God's righteous man" who can't live without a war and Iron Man as a final atonement for his sins.

They could do a Shout-Out to the final moments of What If? The Annihilation wave Wave Reached Earth.

Obviously, Nova wouldn't be there, but still.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#77121: Nov 29th 2017 at 7:01:38 PM
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#77122: Nov 29th 2017 at 7:02:53 PM

I was thinking this but less 90's.

[up]His character development was taking off his helmet.

edited 29th Nov '17 7:03:25 PM by comicwriter

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#77123: Nov 29th 2017 at 7:06:10 PM

Looks like Thanos is becoming a real boy. He really needs some kind of helmet, though. Or grooves in his head to match the ones in his chin, something.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#77124: Nov 29th 2017 at 7:08:27 PM

He's pretty much gonna start beating on the Avengers in the "cosmic equivalent of a wife-beater and sweatpants". All he neees are some Nikes.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#77125: Nov 29th 2017 at 7:23:24 PM

Love this gif so much.

He looks like a twitchy bug just after you squashed it.


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