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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#76526: Nov 16th 2017 at 3:25:51 AM

No one disliked the twist, some people just have a problem with Killian being a boring character.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#76527: Nov 16th 2017 at 3:28:54 AM

A LOT of people disliked the twist, and this is coming from someone who didn't.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#76528: Nov 16th 2017 at 3:30:48 AM

[up][up][up] My issue is not the twist...in fact, I think it is the best part of the movie. But Killian didn't work (more about that on my blog in two weeks...the post is already scheduled), and there is just so much in the last 20 minutes of the movie which feels like and a... pull, from Tony's arc reactor suddenly being removable (which turns Ironman 2 into a giant plot hole - at the very least they should have established that this is a new procedure) to hand-waving pretty much all possible consequences. I still don't know if Pepper is "cured" in a sense that she is now a normal person, or if she still has extremis powers.

[up][up] A lot of people disliked the twist, though I think some of them just weren't able to figure out why they disliked it so much.

edited 16th Nov '17 3:31:28 AM by Swanpride

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#76529: Nov 16th 2017 at 3:32:25 AM

I thought we were talking abut people in this thread, not the general populace.

edited 16th Nov '17 3:32:36 AM by VeryMelon

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#76530: Nov 16th 2017 at 3:33:40 AM

Quite a few people in this thread disliked the twist.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#76531: Nov 16th 2017 at 3:43:43 AM

Killian was a boring generic villain, but so was the "Mandarin", so the twist made the movie a lot more entertaining for me.

I agree that having Pepper keep the Extremis powers would have been a major improvement.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#76532: Nov 16th 2017 at 3:48:30 AM

I remember more people liking the twist.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#76533: Nov 16th 2017 at 3:53:56 AM

I wouldn't want to speak for every troper, but usually the people here agree that the issue is not the twist but Killian.

As I said, I am not sure of Pepper still has powers or not...it is entirely possible that she does have powers but keeps it under wraps because she has zero interest in actually being a Superhero and also prefers to be seen as the CEU of Stark Industry instead of the superhealing woman.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#76535: Nov 16th 2017 at 5:24:26 AM

Cool.

edited 16th Nov '17 5:26:44 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#76536: Nov 16th 2017 at 5:46:40 AM

A question here...do you think that given the circumstances from previous films, Infinity War may suffer a bit from DIAA if the drama between heroes back in Civil War is intensified?

edited 16th Nov '17 5:46:54 AM by Luigisan98

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#76538: Nov 16th 2017 at 5:57:20 AM

Darkness Induced Audience Apathy. Which I highly doubt will happen.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#76539: Nov 16th 2017 at 6:00:42 AM

Yeah, that kind of reaction is usually reserved for stuff like... Man of Steel and Batman v. Superman.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#76540: Nov 16th 2017 at 6:28:36 AM

I made some unconscious leaps of logic so the ending to Iron Man 3 didn't bother me

Part of the conflict of the whole movie is that Tony Stark with his mighty brain could fix Extremis since he had nearly done so while drunk

So it was a foregone conclusion that he would fix Pepper although yeah it's not clarified whether that means she has stable Extremis or had it removed

But if Tony can make stable Extremis or temporary no blow up guaranteed Extremis, then he could do the heart surgery he never could prior because of the healing factor.

And getting the reactor removed fit in with the overall "is Tony still Iron Man without the various accoutrements of Iron Man? Yes of course" theme.

Interestingly even without a literal wounded heart, his heart is still wounded going forward, proving just as big a weak point as a glowy thing you could remove to kill him

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#76541: Nov 16th 2017 at 6:58:35 AM

International Black Panther trailer. Mostly the same, but I'm amused by the Wolverine Publicity of the Avengers. First Ant-Man, then Doctor Strange, now this.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#76542: Nov 16th 2017 at 7:10:26 AM

Count me as someone who was alright with the twist (the conceit behind it is probably one of Marvel's more inspired ideas), but the problem is that outside of his cool plan Killian just isn't a compelling villain. Not to mention how telegraphed it is that he's the main villain to begin with.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#76543: Nov 16th 2017 at 7:37:27 AM

I noticed in Shuri’s lab there's an incomplete suit that looks like Killmonger’s.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#76544: Nov 16th 2017 at 7:57:32 AM

RE: Black Panther international trailer: yo, that was dope.

RE:Leaked Infinity War trailer screenshots: O__O'! ...Do I dare to see them?

...

...

...

(One minute and 31 seconds later)

Oh it was just the one shot of Proxima Midnight.

...BUT THERE'S MORE HERE!

Can anyone believe Infinity War is coming like next year already?!

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#76545: Nov 16th 2017 at 9:08:39 AM

I have gotten into the habit of being hyped for the next upcoming Marvel project which really interests me...meaning I am currently interested in Punisher and Runaways and hyped for the Agents of Shield two hour season premiere. CAN'T WAIT!!!!! Plus I have high hopes for the 100th episode.

Meaning I will worry about Black Panther around Christmas and about Infinity War once I have seen Black Panther. If I would get hyped now, I would most likely be exhausted already when the project in question drops.

Makes it easier to not look at too much material, too.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#76546: Nov 16th 2017 at 9:35:16 AM

"Infinity War may suffer a bit from DIAA if the drama between heroes back in Civil War is intensified?"

If anything, I feel thanos conflict is going to put those thing to rest, making the whole fight pointless.

edited 16th Nov '17 9:41:55 AM by unknowing

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#76547: Nov 16th 2017 at 10:00:24 AM

Although Cap's team seems kinda woefully underpowered for fighting a Thanos-sized threat.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#76548: Nov 16th 2017 at 10:04:02 AM

[up]I least Cap have a team, tony have what....vision? peter? yeah....

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#76549: Nov 16th 2017 at 10:09:42 AM

Cap has a team made up of all the not-very-superpeople, the Unreliable Ant-Man, and Wanda, who on an off day might disassemble the universe. Tony could whip up another Iron Legion if he had to, plus he's got the Vision, the Spider-Man, and the backing of the United Nations.

But, y'know, old argument. They're superheroes, whoever needs to win, will win.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#76550: Nov 16th 2017 at 10:10:33 AM

I don't believe we have confirmation that Wanda approaches Reality Warper levels here.

Oh God! Natural light!

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