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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#76476: Nov 11th 2017 at 9:56:51 AM

Some of those aren't even cameos being cut. They listed Amadeus but didn't actually provide any info suggesting he was ever planned to be in AOU.

This is why I hate listicles, btw.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#76477: Nov 11th 2017 at 9:58:04 AM

(spoilers for the last one) Sif probably lucked out not being in Ragnarok, really. With the exception of Heimdall, basically everyone from the earlier movies besides the brothers is dead.

At least now we can headcanon that she was off having her own adventures without being tied down by Thor's crazy family drama.

edited 11th Nov '17 9:59:12 AM by KnownUnknown

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#76478: Nov 11th 2017 at 10:06:02 AM

I have the feeling that if the actress had the time, she would have basically had Valkyries role, with a few adjustments.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#76479: Nov 11th 2017 at 10:21:59 AM

I have a feeling that if Sif was in this movie she would have died in place of Hogun. Using him in that situation was a bit odd. I feel like it would have made more sense to kill him with Fandral and Volstagg.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#76480: Nov 11th 2017 at 10:28:42 AM

[up] Doubt it...that scene felt more like and apology for short-shifting him in TDW.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#76481: Nov 11th 2017 at 10:29:34 AM

I'm with Kostya on this. Hogun being the one in that spot was really weird, given that the previous movie explicitly writes him away from Asgard and he's never been particularly more important the other Warriors Three before. Sif being intended to be the only Asgardian casualty of Hel treated with drama and gravitas makes more sense.

edited 11th Nov '17 10:31:21 AM by KnownUnknown

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#76482: Nov 11th 2017 at 10:51:30 AM

Well, whatever the truth is, its a win anyway....we have another female in the Thor franchise and Sif will still be around. I wonder if they will put a scene with her into the next season of Ao S?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#76483: Nov 11th 2017 at 1:33:44 PM

It would depend on what her contract is like. Sometimes actors on network shows have it written in that they aren't allowed to guest star on rival network's shows (I remember a big deal being made about how one of the actors from Heroes couldn't return for the Grand Finale of Scrubs because Scrubs aired on another channel).

Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#76484: Nov 11th 2017 at 6:08:14 PM

For a kingdom of Viking warriors Asgard sure is easy to conquer.

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#76485: Nov 11th 2017 at 6:09:30 PM

It's really only been conquered the one time.

Plus, their conqueror was a Super Viking Death Goddess, so...what are you gonna do?

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#76486: Nov 11th 2017 at 6:11:05 PM

Also she was a member of that magic viking culture too

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#76487: Nov 11th 2017 at 6:16:11 PM

Drawing her power from said place she conquered.

Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#76488: Nov 11th 2017 at 7:12:56 PM

There was also the space elves.

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#76489: Nov 11th 2017 at 7:19:07 PM

They didn't really conquer it. They did invade and assassinate one of the rulers but they didn't conquer it

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#76490: Nov 11th 2017 at 7:49:43 PM

In fact, they were beaten back almost trivially easily. It's rather embarrassing, frankly.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#76491: Nov 13th 2017 at 7:59:11 AM

Heimdall killed one of their ships with a dagger. A dagger.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#76492: Nov 13th 2017 at 9:04:44 AM

Honestly that was one of the things that really annoyed me about the film the warriors three going out like punks ("noble deaths" mr. feige, don't make me laugh) and sif not even being mentioned in the movie at least. then again, these movies have never done right by those characters, so i guess it's not surprising really.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#76493: Nov 13th 2017 at 9:32:32 AM

Not sure where else to put this but Sony is making another Spider-Man spinoff, this one starring Morbius the Living Vampire[1]

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#76494: Nov 13th 2017 at 11:00:13 AM

Better here than bumping the Amazing Spider-Man 2 thread I guess.

Sony must feel really confidant about Venom and Silver & Black to reveal yet another spin-off.

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#76495: Nov 13th 2017 at 11:24:16 AM

Morbius, at least, doesn't necessarily have to be connected to Spider-Man and could stand on his own for a pretty neat vampire film.

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#76496: Nov 13th 2017 at 11:57:04 AM

Ooo, I've always had a soft spot for the Living Vampire. I'm pretty excited for this news.

Honestly, I wish Sony the best of luck with all of their villain-based spinoffs. Spider-Man's rogues gallery is fantastic and, if handled well, could totally maintain a shared universe in their own right.

It's just going to come down to execution; the problem with the Sinister Six movie was never that giving the Sinister Six a movie was a bad idea. It was that Amazing 2 shot the movie in the foot before it could get off the ground. Execution execution execution.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#76497: Nov 13th 2017 at 12:07:34 PM

As much as I give Sony shit about their weird approach to their deal with Marvel, this Spidey side-series is shaping up to be a really good plan. With their main Spider-Man titles being partly handed by Marvel Studios, they're using their solo movies to do what Marvel doesn't have the resources to do with their own characters: make focus movies about interesting characters that aren't the headliners yet are still strong enough to carry their own stories. Even the Sinister Six idea, though the way they pursued it was overambitious, was the kind of cool idea that Marvel never showed interest in.

Like, even if Marvel didn't have the Universal Quagmire to worry about, we probably wouldn't ever see a She-Hulk movie in the same way Sony is making the Black Cat film. Marvel usually just shunts those kinds of things over to their tv shows, where the films routinely ignore them.

edited 13th Nov '17 12:07:59 PM by KnownUnknown

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#76498: Nov 14th 2017 at 6:44:30 AM

In case someone is interested, my second Marvel villain review is up, exploring Whiplash.

https://swanpride3.wordpress.com/2017/11/14/marvel-musings-ivan-vanko/

Needless to say he didn't do particularly well....

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#76499: Nov 14th 2017 at 9:23:49 AM

He was a massive waste of potential imo. Interesting idea, not so great execution.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#76500: Nov 14th 2017 at 9:59:13 AM

[up] Pretty much. The script for that movie needed at least two rewrites to streamline it. But there are also a number of choices just regarding the character which are puzzling. Starting with the costume.


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