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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#76426: Nov 8th 2017 at 7:06:58 AM

[up][up]Kinda, I feel May is such a stoic badass is really hard to do something with her, is just hate she take so long before we see thing of here, it took almost three goddamn season to finally show why she is the cavarly, it was pure nonsense.

[up]....sure? because the amount of suffering Fitz simmons pass is staging, being Fitz and Jemma is suffering.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#76427: Nov 8th 2017 at 8:47:39 AM

[up] Actually, the episode in which we learned exactly what happened in Bahrain was towards the last third of season 2!!!! not three, and that she had a traumatic experience is something we learn from Coulson at the beginning of season 1. I actually never expected that Bahrain would be more than the noodle incident and then it turned out to be a pivotal event for the whole story. It was brilliant.

And yes, Fitzsimmons continue to suffer, but they never how those contrived dramas other pairings have or stupid misunderstandings which could be easily cleared up.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#76428: Nov 8th 2017 at 9:22:53 AM

[up]Even them is still very static chararter overall, it said much when Robot may manage to emote more emotion that her, something they lampshade later.

And is still silly, the whole thing with Matt-Jemma and Fitz was pretty much to drive more angst into the couple, really those two have more suffering that love and is becoming a little gratting after a while.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#76429: Nov 8th 2017 at 11:47:46 AM

And yes, Fitzsimmons continue to suffer, but they never how those contrived dramas other pairings have or stupid misunderstandings which could be easily cleared up.

No, instead they have extremely traumatic events that should completely shatter the ability to have so much as a working relationship with each other let alone a romantic one, and then they're just fine with it and move on to Happily Ever After.

Like that time Fitz straight-up murdered a person in cold blood in front of Simmons and then later put a gun to her head, but she was able to forgive him effortlessly because she knows logically that although he was a person Fitz is entirely capable of being, it wasn't the person Fitz is now. As we all know, emotions are entirely willing to obey logical reason so she'll never wake up in a cold sweat or have traumatic flashbacks about the time that the man sleeping beside her nearly killed her with murder in his eyes.

Fitzsimmons don't have "couple" problems. They go through extreme traumas that pry them apart from each other and then just rubber-band back together like it never happened because f*ck you, Official Couple.

edited 8th Nov '17 11:49:38 AM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#76430: Nov 8th 2017 at 2:00:46 PM

[up] We have no idea if their relationship is currently okay (interviews with the actors suggest that it isn't). For all we know they aren't even together at the same place.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#76431: Nov 8th 2017 at 2:08:01 PM

All we know about their current relationship is that they were able to hold a civil conversation after they got out.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#76432: Nov 8th 2017 at 2:11:46 PM

While having to deal with a larger threat.

Anyway...I am most likely late to the game because this is already a week old and perhaps too political for this discussion, but this is the best use of Daredevil footage ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biehbIPqV8c

And no, I will not explain further what it is, I don't want to ruin the surprise just in case someone hasn't seen this yet....I think I will dream of this tonight. This would made my day.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#76433: Nov 9th 2017 at 10:04:13 AM

New Black Panther character posters [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#76435: Nov 9th 2017 at 10:10:33 AM

[up][up]Very badass. Andy Serkis looks appropriately Gollum-ish here.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#76436: Nov 9th 2017 at 10:10:56 AM

I have a feeling I'm going to like Shuri.

Oh God! Natural light!
ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#76439: Nov 9th 2017 at 11:38:37 AM

The composition of these posters is really good. Based on her tagline I wonder if Queen Ramonda is going to be T'Challa's genetic mother in this continuity. Also I'm digging the way the poster enhances M'Baku's jawline. Really gives him a formidable presence compared to the slimmer and prettier Killmonger despite him likely only being a secondary villain in this film.

edited 9th Nov '17 11:41:35 AM by AlleyOop

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#76443: Nov 9th 2017 at 12:31:09 PM

...The costumes in this movie, goddamn. I already loved Shuri's gauntlets, but I love them even more now.

A nitpick: I like the idea of Klawe's prosthetic hand, I like the way it's clutched in front of him, but the CG really does not look like part of the same photo shoot and it's pretty clearly not connected to what his far shoulder is doing. I'll live, though.

[up]Hey, it's the Fistigons! And I forgot all about Karolina's powers being sealed off by her MedicAlert bracelet.

edited 9th Nov '17 2:27:17 PM by Unsung

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#76444: Nov 9th 2017 at 12:36:36 PM

Welll I likle black panther, is the first time I finally hype to see Marvel movie in a lot of time.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#76445: Nov 9th 2017 at 1:20:52 PM

Okoye getting her own poster is interesting. It means that she's (possibly) going to be more prominent a character than she seems.

I wonder if they're going to do a bait and switch with Nakia initially getting more focus, before turning bad as she does in the comics, at which point Okoye takes her role instead.

edited 9th Nov '17 1:22:19 PM by KnownUnknown

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#76446: Nov 9th 2017 at 2:10:28 PM

For what it is worth Okoye is confirmed to appear in Infinity War, while Nakia isn't. Though that's not conclusive. She's even on some of the official promo art.

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#76447: Nov 9th 2017 at 2:25:58 PM

So first, I need to state upfront that I don't know anything about the Black Panther universe except what I've read in this very thread.

On that note, a lot of people are concerned that Nakia is going to fall into the tired old cliche of going bad because she's rejected by the hero. Which I completely agree is stupid. I think it would be more interesting if she went bad in spite of those feelings. If her motive was more along the lines of "I love you, but I love our nation and our people more. And your actions are putting both at such risk that removing you from power is the only thing my conscience (I'm not sure I've actually got the right word there) will allow me to do".

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#76448: Nov 9th 2017 at 3:04:24 PM

In other words, from Woman Scorned to Dating Catwoman? I completely agree. The original conception of the character left a bad taste in my mouth for that reason as well as a bunch of other inappropriate stuff that's probably less acceptable these days.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#76449: Nov 9th 2017 at 3:06:59 PM

Slightly worried about the movie going the route of Doctor Strange- in the sense of having a character that inevitably does a Face–Heel Turn, and despite making some attempt at giving them nuance/sympathetic presentation, completely botching it at the end of the movie by having them engage in dog-kicking evil.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#76450: Nov 9th 2017 at 3:10:08 PM

What's wrong with Comic!Nakia?


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