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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Sexism and racism are only important to media that addresses sexism and racism as a major theme, and the Netflix shows already covered that ground with Jessica Jones and Luke Cage, respectively. They filled their social justice quota, and Iron Fist is meant to be a show about corporate espionage and martial arts and the duality between the two sides of Danny's life, not sexism or racism.
I'm being halfway sarcastic. This is just how Hollywood works. I don't much like it, either.
edited 2nd Nov '17 9:59:30 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
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Well, if Tobias is doing a liveblog, and he thinks it's a recurring issue, then yeah, he's going to bring it up. I don't know what you expect him to do about it.
That is...not how it works.
Like, what, if a story engages in racial stereotypes, it doesn't matter if the story itself isn't about race? Where's the logic in that?
edited 2nd Nov '17 10:00:16 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!Uh, no. Race and gender are not toys you can put back in the box when you're done with them. People don't stop having a race or gender if the story isn't focused on that particular aspect.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.If you were being sarcastic then put it under Sarcasm Mode.
Either way, just saying it's because it's how Hollywood works doesn't excuse it.
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?![]()
I see. My apologies for jumping on you like that, then.
Although, yeah, Sarcasm Mode is your friend here.
edited 2nd Nov '17 10:03:55 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!I'm also watching the show right now myself, and I was probably going to end up mentioning it at some point, whether it be a quick mention if I see something as I'm watching or in my longform review that I'm eventually going to post.
I get that it's tiring for people who like Danny or IF for them to get constantly dumpstered over and over (trust me, I don't like having things I like get shafted either) , and I think Tobias probably does come across a bit too vitriolic sometimes (even if I understand why), but I don't know if you can really avoid that when it comes to a show and character that's this divisive.
I am being serious, though, because that is how it works.
Jessica Jones is a show about sexism and rape culture with a side of toxic masculinity, so every single episode of it is about those themes and almost nothing else. The villain ties back into rape culture, so the show doesn't need to have any extraneous themes aside from the ones mentioned above. Jessica Jones hardly ever mentions anything about racism.
Luke Cage is about black culture, so it puts a heavy focus on that, with little else. Every episode is about how black Harlem is and how black people are treated by police officers or by prison guards or by mobsters. Luke Cage addresses sexism maybe two or three times in the whole show.
Iron Fist is not about sexism or racism, so neither are given focus. Same with Daredevil, racism and sexism are almost never addressed and certainly not enough to make it a theme.
When you make a tv show, you need to have a few major themes it follows, and adding any more themes to the show is seen as overcomplicating the story. Racism and sexism are big themes, and adding them haphazardly to a show means that something else needs to be sacrificed to make room. If you want a show to address racism and sexism, it needs to be about racism and sexism, and there's very little room to add any themes to a show about racism and sexism that aren't related to either.
Look, I'm honestly just tired of the vitriol; I'm just really getting sick of most of the threads I'm following (that are still regularly being updated) constantly dissolving into some argument over something, no matter how minor, every other day, or just talking about how this thing is oh so terrible. I get it, you either dislike or flat-out hate the damn thing, I don't need to see you keep repeating the same damn shit everytime it gets brought up.
I just want to be able to like the stuff I like, and actually have people to talk to about it, without constantly having to hear the same thing over and over again. I've already have to deal with stuff bordering on outright hate in the Naruto and Fairy Tail threads, which yes, I still actually like, and I've had to deal with nothing but this in the former for several years, even though that should have locked the thread before the first year. Really, it's just becoming hard to care about what most of the people in these threads say, and yes, I find myself wanting them to just leave and never come back for my own happiness and peace of mind. Yes, I know it's bad, and I both understand and agree with that, but I just can't stop thinking like that, and I...just kind of hate myself for thinking that at all.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!Draghinazzo, you're actually at a point where I really felt the problems were very well displayed.
The sequence of events at which Danny enters the dojo and attempts to dismiss Colleen's lesson with Claire because he's decided unilaterally that she's having a romantic dinner with him. And then, after trying to recruit her for an illegal job he wants performed, she pushes back so he reveals that he purchased her building and uses her rent as leverage to persuade her.
If you were to carve Danny out of this scene and replace him with Wilson Fisk, then proceed with everything else exactly as is, it would be perfect. I'd be commending the scene for it's amazing demonstration of the intersection between power and sexuality. I'd be calling it a Jessica Jones-level portrayal of being the target of a rich and powerful man's infatuation, how far-reaching and nigh inescapable such a man can be, and how frightening yet critical it is that Colleen must find a way to get out from under his thumb.
But it's not Fisk. It's Danny, and you're supposed to come away from this scene going, "Aw, he's such a sweetheart! These two are a great love story."
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I'm saying that you shouldn't expect a show that isn't blatantly about sexism to address it.
Again, he's rich so that's his idea of a casual meal between friends. I doubt he even thought it could be taken as romantic until it was suggested to him.
edited 2nd Nov '17 10:26:32 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
I expect a show not blatantly about sexism or racism to at least not be sexist or racist.
Oh please, don't insult ninjas like that.
edited 2nd Nov '17 10:26:53 PM by AdricDePsycho
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?@Gojira: I'm sorry to hear that, but the truth is, I don't think we can just stop giving our opinions for a single person's sake.
That said, Tobias, I would ask you to tone down on the vitriol, though - it just gets unpleasant sometimes.
edited 2nd Nov '17 10:28:36 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!I talk about many things that are enjoyable during my liveblogs. It's just the bits about Danny that always wind up sparking discussion.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.

edited 2nd Nov '17 9:54:39 PM by Draghinazzo