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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#75876: Oct 26th 2017 at 1:25:58 AM

One of the things you said is fucking prophetic. "Why do I get the feeling that the Weaver's insistence on clinging to one idea is going to lead to her downfall?"

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#75877: Oct 26th 2017 at 11:27:25 AM

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Well, while he takes too long to get better, I'm going to enjoy watching people rip on him.

Like I said, I'm team Joy-vos (Joy and Davos). I'm looking forward to them tearing his shit up and I hope it doesn't end with Joy just taking back Rand-Meachum, and cutting Danny out completely while laughing in his face.

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#75878: Oct 26th 2017 at 11:31:55 AM

I honestly wouldn't be opposed to Joy ending up in sole control of Rand, except knowing Iron Fist, it would happen entirely due to circumstances outside of her control and she'd just end up being a passive recipient of a happy ending.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#75879: Oct 26th 2017 at 11:38:56 AM

What if she puts Danny out on the street while doing it...or just pushes him off a pier.

Listen, as long as Rand loses, and ends up with less than nothing, I'd be ok no matter how she does it. For me, the important thing is that Danny loses.

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#75881: Oct 26th 2017 at 12:36:20 PM

[up]That guy on the far right in the thumbnail looks familiar.

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#75882: Oct 26th 2017 at 2:24:17 PM

Is this our first glimpse of Old Lace?

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#75883: Oct 26th 2017 at 2:33:11 PM

She was in the previous trailer, but only in like one brief shot of her snout. The animation on her looks pretty good at a glance, even if I'm guessing she does have to spend a lot of time out of frame for budget reasons.

There's something I like about the Pride being the kind of charity that hands out giant cheques. On the one hand it makes them less of a secret organization and it seems like drawing attention to the connection between the families would go against their whole MO, but that in itself kind of means that they're changing some things from the comics, and like with the Netflix shows, that means getting to be surprised.

edited 26th Oct '17 2:59:11 PM by Unsung

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#75884: Oct 26th 2017 at 2:58:54 PM

Damn it this is looking great. I'm actually excited.

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#75885: Oct 26th 2017 at 6:28:10 PM

Still on Defenders: I actually gasped and was taken completely by surprise by that one big reveal in the last couple episodes, but I understand that others didn't find it as shocking, so I'm really interested in seeing your reaction to it, Tobias.

I'm referring to the reveal that the Hand are immortal because of dragon bones. I honestly didn't see it coming at all and it perfectly filled in the holes in the Hand's backstory, while simultaneously making Shao-Lao a much more interesting character in hindsight.

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#75887: Oct 26th 2017 at 7:59:23 PM

In the Avengers vs Defenders debate who'd have thought the Revengers would pull the rug out from under everyone.

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#75888: Oct 26th 2017 at 8:26:03 PM

What?

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#75889: Oct 26th 2017 at 10:29:32 PM

Ragnarok: Conclusive proof that the main thing holding back the Thor movies was, in fact, the efforts to tie Thor down to Earth and humanize him via Jane like everyone thought it was?

That the one movie where Jane and Earth promptly f*cked off happens to be the moment when the Thor franchise went from being Marvel's shittiest property to Certified Fresh is pretty f*cking telling.

edited 26th Oct '17 10:30:20 PM by TobiasDrake

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#75890: Oct 26th 2017 at 10:58:24 PM

I think its more than that.

Ragnarok seems like its more embracing of the kind of batshittery the Thor comics had while the other two movies tried to make everything grounded.

Its definitely related though.

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#75891: Oct 26th 2017 at 11:00:20 PM

Also, they just ripped off Guardians of the Galaxy whole-hog.

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#75892: Oct 26th 2017 at 11:02:24 PM

It wasn't that Thor going to Earth was inherently a bad idea, rather it was that for whatever reason the writers failed to make the stuff that happens on Earth interesting in any way. In the first movie, the Earth characters are mostly insipid and forgettable, as are Thor's "fish out of water" antics. Jane herself is emblematic of this problem; I literally can't remember her as anything other than a mandatory love interest, who exists solely because it's a genre imposition that there be some type of love interest. She completely fails to make any sort of strong or lasting impression.

It's especially noticeable because there's a separate and far more interesting plotline with Loki in Asgard, where we get treated to shakespearian politics and a surprisingly complex villain compared to the ones we had in previous Marvel films. I understand that Loki has his detractors, which is perfectly fine since opinions are opinions, but as far as I'm concerned if it wasn't for him Thor 1 might straight up be a bad movie instead of just an extremely underwhelming one.

edited 26th Oct '17 11:03:05 PM by Draghinazzo

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#75893: Oct 26th 2017 at 11:28:51 PM

Or in short, it's more correlation than causation. There really are a laundry list of problems in the first two films, most coming down to the execution rather than the ideas.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#75894: Oct 27th 2017 at 12:02:55 AM

Going to earth was a good idea for the first movie, for budget reasons if nothing else (let's not forget that this was back when Marvel couldn't afford to go really high budget on those things). But the second movie should have been about exploring the nine worlds more instead of forcefully tying it back to earth for no real reason.

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#75895: Oct 27th 2017 at 12:23:03 AM

Connecting Thor with Earth was a necessity for the Shared Universe. Guardians of the Galaxy had to do the same thing rather than a complete Xeno Fiction, even though very little is shared until Infinity War.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#75896: Oct 27th 2017 at 5:17:28 AM

Someone on Reddit recently called Darcy a fine character in the wrong movie, and I think that's my stance as well. The human characters aren't bad, per se. It's that they were stealing focus from the far more interesting cosmic stuff that we could have been watching instead.

Note, I only really found this to be a problem in the sequel. I actually really enjoy the first Thor, and I'm kind of bummed its reputation sort of retroactively took a hit because of how much people disliked The Dark World.

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#75897: Oct 27th 2017 at 5:29:50 AM

Thor needed to be on Earth for the first movie. It's the sequel that dropped the ball.

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#75898: Oct 27th 2017 at 6:18:36 AM

I had zero problems with the dark world, but if it being tied to earth hurt the franchise, then I'm ok with them moving away from that.

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#75899: Oct 27th 2017 at 7:29:09 AM

Someone on Reddit recently called Darcy a fine character in the wrong movie, and I think that's my stance as well. The human characters aren't bad, per se. It's that they were stealing focus from the far more interesting cosmic stuff that we could have been watching instead.

People have mentioned Darcy multiple times but I don't even remember who they are lol

Note, I only really found this to be a problem in the sequel. I actually really enjoy the first Thor, and I'm kind of bummed its reputation sort of retroactively took a hit because of how much people disliked The Dark World.

Personally, I thought the film was underwhelming the very first time I saw it. I was under the impression a lot of people felt the same way, though obviously the film had its fair share of fans still.

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#75900: Oct 27th 2017 at 7:36:48 AM

Darcy? Jane's intern. Earth-side comic relief, joined by Dr Selvig in the second one.

Thor suffered from a lack of focus— lots of ideas, most of them underutilized. The family drama is pretty good, but that just highlights how the rest of the characters don't really get to do much of anything apart from showing up. The movie's cast is much, much too big for what ends up being a pretty basic story.

edited 27th Oct '17 8:03:05 AM by Unsung


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