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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#75801: Oct 24th 2017 at 2:57:40 AM

Except he isn't being guarded with her. There is clear differences between his relationship with Jess vs his relationship with Claire. There's a difference between introverted and guarded.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#75802: Oct 24th 2017 at 3:02:21 AM

[up] He comes off as standoffish to me. Also, a guy who is that comfortable speaking in sexual innuendos isn't introverted. In Jessica Jones he is established as a guy who is quite comfortable to have a convenient hot piece for some fun and that is exactly how his relationship with Claire comes off to me, he has no true attraction to her (hell, he doesn't even recognize her when they encounter each other again, and I certainly would remember someone who rescued my life!), but she is convenient. I don't think they ever had a single conversation which was about Claire and her desires instead of his personal woes. And Claire deserves better than this.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#75803: Oct 24th 2017 at 3:07:07 AM

He saw her once after he woke up and barely spoke to her. Sometimes people just aren't good with faces. Sexual innuendos are something introverted people do use from time to time. Again, you're confusing introverted with something else.

And I don't recall jessica talking about herself that much when she was with Luke unless you count her confessing to killing his wife so that's kind of moot.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#75804: Oct 24th 2017 at 3:13:39 AM

[up] They had a whole night in which they discussed at length what their powers meant to them and how they dealt with it and the expectation of the people surrounding them. Jessica is pretty guarded herself, but there Luke is such a good listener that she reveals at least some of herself. Not to mention that in Jessica's case, Luke was clearly interested in her.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#75805: Oct 24th 2017 at 3:13:44 AM

Luke is guarded around everyone. Guy's an ex-convict. He doesn't open up to Claire right away because her support of him could be a little suspicious, based on the timing, and he's still got a lot of trauma on his plate between Reva and Pop. Sometimes the only thing that helps with that is time and distance, and it seems to me like Claire gets that, like she's willing to invest the time.

I think the relationship between Claire and Luke is more casual than you're allowing it to be. It's okay to start out light, see where these things lead. Ultimately I don't think they'll stay together, both because of the comics canon and because I don't think they're exactly a match, but I don't think that the time between them is rendered meaningless because of that.

It doesn't really feel natural and there is no true sizzle between them.

Eh. You've said that before, and I still say it seems natural enough. Two people, similar values, believably attracted to each other. Maybe it's not a scorching love-at-first-sight kind of deal, the stuff of grand romance or the unspoken but palpable connection that Luke and Jessica have, but it's still chemistry. Or physics and biology, anyway.

edited 24th Oct '17 3:13:59 AM by Unsung

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#75806: Oct 24th 2017 at 3:15:53 AM

[up] Claire acts as if it is more. Luke doesn't. Which is exactly why it is so difficult for me to watch it, because Claire sets herself up for heart-break.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#75807: Oct 24th 2017 at 3:18:02 AM

How? You keep saying this but there's really nothing to suggest such.

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#75808: Oct 24th 2017 at 6:08:06 AM

I will admit that I'm kinda hoping Luke/Claire eventually ends because I'm emotionally invested in Luke/Jessica from the comics.

But they've got enough chemistry and are likable enough that it's not going to be, like, a dealbreaker for me or something if it doesn't.

Danny/Colleen, meanwhile, needs to die in a fire next to Matt/Karen.

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#75809: Oct 24th 2017 at 6:10:24 AM

Colleen and Misty could end up together

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#75810: Oct 24th 2017 at 7:03:30 AM

I don't want Jessica anywhere near Luke romance-wise after what she put him through. The Netflix depiction ends up reinforcing all the reasons Luke's fans hated her in the comics. I'll stick to the comic depiction which is less toxic.

edited 24th Oct '17 7:04:35 AM by windleopard

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#75811: Oct 24th 2017 at 7:09:04 AM

*She* didn't put him through that. Not entirely. These are both damaged people, who maybe need each other to get over this thing. Or not. Time will tell.

edited 24th Oct '17 7:09:16 AM by Unsung

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#75812: Oct 24th 2017 at 7:19:33 AM

They can be damaged without each other. I'm sure Malcolm wouldn't mind being Jess's sounding board but she and Luke really are the last thing each other needs.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#75814: Oct 24th 2017 at 9:10:02 AM

I like Danny and Coleen...not necessarily for the ages, but in a "let them have their relationship experiences" kind of way. And other than Luke and Jessica it also happens to be the only romance in the Netflix shows which doesn't annoy from start to finish (in: it annoyed me at the start but not at the finish).

Fitzsimmons is the best thing in the MCU anyway, followed by Cap and Peggy (*sniff*).

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#75816: Oct 24th 2017 at 10:29:30 AM

Has a release date for the trailer of Infinity War been hinted at yet?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#75817: Oct 24th 2017 at 10:36:13 AM

No. Some think it will be with The Last Jedi in December.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#75818: Oct 24th 2017 at 11:38:02 AM

I can wait....first Ragnarok, then Punisher, then Ao S (can't wait!!!), then Black Panther....Oh, and The Runaways start soon, too.

When exactly was Cloak and Dagger scheduled?

Anyway, lots of stuff to watch before Infinity war.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#75819: Oct 24th 2017 at 11:39:43 AM

What always colors my take on both Danny/Colleen and Luke/Claire is that they always felt like the writers just pairing the characters up with whoever's available to use in the series' obligatory romance arc (rather than just not having a romance in the first place - which in Iron Fist's case is a possibility they really should have considered), which makes it hard to get invested somewhat.

It makes sense (I mean, either you trade characters among shows or maintain relationships between characters who primarily appear on separate programs), but it's still kind of meh. I think Luke and Claire have more chemistry as an actual couple in Defenders than they do in Luke Cage itself, but I agree that he and Jessica just have more chemistry.

And hey, a decade from now I want Danielle Cage: Captain America.

edited 24th Oct '17 11:40:14 AM by KnownUnknown

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#75820: Oct 24th 2017 at 11:43:36 AM

Marvel's been awfully quiet about Cloak & Dagger, come to think of it.

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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#75821: Oct 24th 2017 at 11:43:51 AM

[up][up]You want a ten year old to be Captain America ?

edited 24th Oct '17 11:44:26 AM by thatindiantroper

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#75822: Oct 24th 2017 at 11:52:30 AM

...

Ten years in Real Life time, I would like them to introduce the idea of Danielle Cage - the daughter of Luke Cage and Jessica Jones who comes back in time and is revealed to have become Captain America in the future.

The ten years thing is a gag exaggeration on the fact that it would probably take Marvel Studios ages to actually move on something like that, let alone make a plot point that fuses the tv and film universes.

edited 24th Oct '17 11:54:13 AM by KnownUnknown

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#75823: Oct 24th 2017 at 11:54:27 AM

The MCU moves in Real Life time. If Dani were born right now, she'd be about ten in ten years' time.

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#75825: Oct 24th 2017 at 11:55:47 AM

Sorry, but that would require crossover between the movies and tv shows, and I can't see that happening in ten years.


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