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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#75726: Oct 20th 2017 at 11:45:55 AM

The kid was the equivalent of going up to a disabled Vet with PTSD and poking him with a stick. "Hey, hey, hey. Tell me about that time an IED killed your best friend in front of your eyes. Hey. Hey. Hey." And somehow this was meant to be charming.

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#75727: Oct 20th 2017 at 12:23:01 PM

RE: Kilgrave being foiled by the Vision in a hypothetical "Take Over the World" plot: Funnily enough, I think that's essentially what happened in The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes episode "Emperor Stark", which had Kilgrave (as his supervillain persona The Purple Man) effectively ruling America, using Tony Stark as a figurehead.

Purple Man's downfall there happened because Vision was undergoing repairs during the takeover.

(Btw, Tony beating up Kilgrave at the end was all kinds of awesome.)

edited 20th Oct '17 12:24:10 PM by TargetmasterJoe

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#75728: Oct 20th 2017 at 12:29:15 PM

[up][up] So you're saying he's Innocently Insensitive?

That's not so bad.

edited 20th Oct '17 12:29:29 PM by Prowler

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#75729: Oct 20th 2017 at 12:29:30 PM

Steve asking that question makes totally sense because from his point of view Tony is some spoiled guy who is playing around with his millions while not really understanding the stakes - and he kind of has a point, even if he is misjudging Tony's character. But that is exactly what a WWII veteran would say to someone representing our modern hedonistic society.

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#75730: Oct 20th 2017 at 12:30:48 PM

[up][up] Except after the first time Harley did this, Tony said "Hey, knock it off, I don't like talking about it, it gives me a panic attack." And then Harley KEPT DOING IT, until suddenly Tony just didn't have PTSD anymore.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#75731: Oct 20th 2017 at 12:34:12 PM

That's how it happens, sometimes. What you need isn't always what you want— you don't think you want to talk, but you really need to, and sometimes you can open up to a stranger in a way you can't with the people closest to you. Like a lot of stuff in the Iron Man movies, that scene and RDJ's improv'd dialogue for it seems like it probably comes out of him working through his own experiences with addiction, depression, and anxiety.

edited 20th Oct '17 7:58:06 PM by Unsung

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#75732: Oct 20th 2017 at 12:39:52 PM

But that is exactly what a WWII veteran would say to someone representing our modern hedonistic society.

So Steve is basically an old man yelling at a cloud?tongue

And really, if he thinks Tony is a hedonist what rock was he living under in the 1940s?

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#75733: Oct 20th 2017 at 12:42:31 PM

The rock called "The Depression", probably.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#75734: Oct 20th 2017 at 12:43:03 PM

...Tony *is* a hedonist. He throws huge parties, lives in a mansion, and owns a fleet of sports cars. Steve grew up in the Great Depression. [up][nja]

edited 20th Oct '17 12:44:10 PM by Unsung

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#75735: Oct 20th 2017 at 12:46:18 PM

So Steve is basically an old man yelling at a cloud?

In his defense, he was Johnny Storm back then and the cloud was eating the planet.

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#75736: Oct 20th 2017 at 12:47:41 PM

Plus, even by the standards of wealth set before the Depression, Tony is a hedonist. He probably wipes his ass with JD Rockefeller's entire life savings.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#75737: Oct 20th 2017 at 1:16:41 PM

The kid is basically a tiny Tony

The man immediately started poking the Hulk

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#75738: Oct 20th 2017 at 1:29:37 PM

I didn't mind Harley. He served a purpose in giving Tony someone to play off of during scenes where J.A.R.V.I.S. was offline and he was forced to wing it without his tech. The nature of film is that because we can't be privy to the protagonist's thoughts like we can in written storytelling, he needs to be able to express himself through dialogue.

Setting that aside, Iron Man 3's climax is one of my favorite moments in the entire MCU. I do agree that it never really felt like Killian should be a match for Tony, but at this point in the film, I wasn't looking for one. Tony had been disempowered for so long that what I wanted was a brutal stomp.

Killian himself proved a decent physical challenge for Tony, enough for a satisfactory conclusion in my opinion, but what really got me was the House Party itself. The moment when dozens of Iron Man suits form a perimeter around the oil rig and you can practically feel the Extremis soldiers wetting themselves over what's about to happen, I loved that.

In its own way, the oil rig scene is the precursor to Ultron. It's precisely what he's talking about when he says he wants to put "a suit of armor around the world". What happened to Killian is a small-scale model of precisely what Tony dreams of doing to the Chitauri if they ever come back.

edited 20th Oct '17 1:31:01 PM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#75739: Oct 20th 2017 at 2:18:06 PM

We also shouldn't forget that Steve is most likely basing his judgement at least partly on the shield files, which certainly include Natasha's assessment. You know, Ironman yes, Tony Stark no.

Honestly, we are talking about a guy who threw a giant party, shooting around and then peed into his suit. Tony's public persona is very different from his more private one.

I was kind of bothered by Pepper having to kill the villain for Tony AGAIN. Honestly, we keep exploring his nightmares, but what about hers?

Which is btw another issue I have with the movie. Why do we need a contrived conflict between Pepper and Tony? What is wrong with having them somewhat happy for one damned movie?

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#75740: Oct 20th 2017 at 2:58:21 PM

Last five minutes of homecoming wasn't good enough?

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#75741: Oct 20th 2017 at 3:55:20 PM

In its own way, the oil rig scene is the precursor to Ultron. It's precisely what he's talking about when he says he wants to put "a suit of armor around the world". What happened to Killian is a small-scale model of precisely what Tony dreams of doing to the Chitauri if they ever come back.

And all of this time I thought Tony was envisioning some kind of Unicron/Arc Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann-sized battlesuit that would use the Earth as it's arc reactor.

edited 20th Oct '17 10:59:19 PM by Soble

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#75742: Oct 20th 2017 at 6:44:01 PM

Arc Gurren Lagann is the one the size of a city. You're thinking of Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann, which is the size of the moon, closer to what you're talking about.

I really like Harley because they set him up to be a Tag Along Kid, only for Tony to leave him at home because bringing a Tag Along Kid is irresponsible.

edited 20th Oct '17 6:44:45 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#75743: Oct 20th 2017 at 7:45:34 PM

The kid was fine, not offensive, but he didn't add anything either. Felt like a waste of time.

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#75745: Oct 20th 2017 at 7:59:55 PM

...yeah, Tony's gonna die.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#75746: Oct 20th 2017 at 8:16:02 PM

Then he can be the first MCU character to come back from the dead, and then this'll *really* be a faithful adaptation of the comics.

And then this will probably turn into the Tony Stark version of One More Day. Speaking of the devil.

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#75747: Oct 20th 2017 at 8:28:50 PM

Tony Stark at the end of Avengers:

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#75748: Oct 20th 2017 at 9:09:39 PM

Let's see, we have the ring on Pepper's finger and that kid coming back, are there any other death flags we could add to this?

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#75749: Oct 20th 2017 at 9:11:11 PM

How is the kid a death flag?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
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#75750: Oct 20th 2017 at 9:14:58 PM

The theory is he'll show up to speak at Tony's funeral, and there is a funeral in the fourth Avengers film.

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