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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#75551: Oct 16th 2017 at 2:19:46 PM

also that is the same excuse some said to use white only cast member in anime adaptation.

No, because white people are not descended from Japanese people, as recently as how Africans and African-Americans are.

Casting is another issue entirely, The point being made was that no argument about the trailer music being ill fitting came up when it was a white woman jamming to a song about how black the singer is.

(Heck, last time I heard ‘Black Skinhead’ applied to a black character, they muted out every instance of “black” in the chorus.)

edited 16th Oct '17 2:21:10 PM by Tuckerscreator

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#75552: Oct 16th 2017 at 2:20:09 PM

I was probably confusing it with the Golden Goblin of Spider-Man comics. Although, I do see that some earlier articles described the costume as a golden version of the Black Panther suit and one does refer to it as a "Golden Panther" costume. Seems like more recent articles call it a Golden Jaguar costume though, so that's undoubtedly correct.

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#75553: Oct 16th 2017 at 2:26:11 PM

Honestly, I barely even realized that the trailer had rap music. It wasn't like it was free verse but it had a full instrumental accompaniment timed with the action. It was no different than using rock music. I'll admit the overall trailer has a very hip, modern, high-tech feel, which contrasts the deep Africa setting. I know that's the premise of Black Panther, but it feels very American-oriented rather than embracing African culture.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#75554: Oct 16th 2017 at 2:32:31 PM

"No, because white people are not descended from Japanese people, as recently as how Africans and African-Americans are. "

And yet "japanise are ok with this so stop complain" is not a valid excuse, they are culturaly diferentm(because you now, the american part).

"The point being made was that no argument about the trailer music being ill fitting came up when it was a white woman jamming to a song about how black the singer is."

because I wasnt even thiking on that, aside of sounding like whataboutism since it dosent have much to with the movie here.

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#75555: Oct 16th 2017 at 2:33:14 PM

[up][up][up]As far as I know, the suit has no analogue in the comics. Killmonger just goes by that name. I do think it's a nod to the period where he was the Black Panther though (he won the identity in a tribal duel.

edited 16th Oct '17 2:33:38 PM by comicwriter

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#75556: Oct 16th 2017 at 2:36:08 PM

Killmonger's BP suit is a clear refrence to the time he was BP in the comics.

Its just his suit didn't look as distinct as it does here on the big screen.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#75557: Oct 16th 2017 at 2:37:30 PM

The MCU being so dedicated to the "the hero must initially face an villain with the exact same powers" concept that they would literally make something up just to force it to fit doesn't surprise me at this point.

Everything else about this movie looks so awesome that I'm not really mussed about Killmonger being ripoff-Panther, especially since if we're seeing their fight in the trailer there's a decent chance that there's going to be more to him than that in the full movie.

edited 16th Oct '17 2:38:22 PM by KnownUnknown

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#75558: Oct 16th 2017 at 3:24:15 PM

This is one of the few cases where I think having the villain be the hero's Evil Counterpart again is sort of justified. In the comics Erik Killmonger is just a dude who is exceptionally strong and athletic, but he was introduced before the writers gave T'Challa a vibranium costume, which meant they could fight as equals.

In Civil War we saw the suit stand up to everything from getting hurled across a battlefield to a hail of machine gun fire, so it's probably much harder to make Killmonger believably pose a challenge to him if he's not wearing something to make him stronger.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#75559: Oct 16th 2017 at 3:39:31 PM

This movie looks like it's gonna be just fine.

T'challa and Peter were the big stands outs of Civl War. Homecoming worked out ok in my book (so if the internet has decided it's suddenly a bad movie behind my back like it did with Age of Ultron, I'll be annoyed), so I'm looking forward to T'challa's solo run.

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Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#75560: Oct 16th 2017 at 3:42:55 PM

I thought the trailer looked awesome. Wish they'd switched the release dates for this and Thor Ragnarok - I'm far more excited for Black Panther.

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#75561: Oct 16th 2017 at 4:47:03 PM

Comic book sites have been calling it the 'Golden Jaguar' suit for a few months now. I'm not sure how that got started, but it seems to have stuck. It does sound pretty good (Golden Leopard or Golden Panther sound more like Kamen Rider villains, although Golden Jaguar actually is one), even if jaguars are a (South and Central) American animal.

Killmonger is the one leading the movie's revolution, and in the comics he grew up in Harlem and went to MIT, so the soundtrack choice here might be more deliberately ironic than it first appears. He's pretty central to this trailer.

edited 16th Oct '17 5:04:40 PM by Unsung

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#75562: Oct 16th 2017 at 6:03:45 PM

Avengers Sequel's Ending Was Changed Because of Internet Reporting

Feige made the statement to The Wrap and its writer Umberto Gonzalez — the same reporter that broke the news about the MCU eying a Planet Hulk adaptation which, at the time, was false. Because the original Age of Ultron ending had Hulk jetting off in his Quinjet (more explicitly towards space), Feige was concerned — expressing those very worries to Whedon — that it would give fans the wrong impression for Hulk’s next arc.

“You had the big scoop about us doing Planet Hulk,” Feige said. “It turned out to be accurate [but] at the time, it was not accurate because we didn’t have any plans to do it and Joss [Whedon] was doing Age of Ultron at that time. The way it ends as you recall with Hulk in the Quinjet going off, right?”

Feige continued, “We said, ‘Joss, we can’t do that because he’s not going into space and people are going to think we’re doing Planet Hulk because Umberto has some big hot scoop that we’re doing Planet Hulk, we can’t do it.’ He goes, ‘Well, what are you going to do?’ We said, ‘We don’t know.’ So, if you go back and look at that shot of the movie, he’s in the sky. It’s blue sky.”

This was done to ensure fans believed Hulk was still on Earth, with the script also being tweaked to reveal Bruce Banner and his gamma-powered alter-ego was in an Earth-bound setting as opposed to the scripted destination near Saturn. However, this laid the foundation for Thor star Chris Hemsworth to ask for another big Avenger in his film, which allowed Feige to recalibrate things and use Hulk in Thor: Ragnarok, partially absorbing elements from Planet Hulk.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#75563: Oct 16th 2017 at 6:22:54 PM

That's weird because jaguars are a Western Hemisphere cat, while leopards actually do live in East Africa, and IRL black panthers are just melanistic leopards.

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#75564: Oct 16th 2017 at 6:25:35 PM

Chris Hemsworth: "Give me another Avenger so that people will actually see my movie."

Feige: "What about Hulk?"

Hemsworth: "WHAT'D I JUST SAY? His movies do worse than mine!"

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#75565: Oct 16th 2017 at 6:33:43 PM

... Do people think that jets can just go into space?

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#75566: Oct 16th 2017 at 6:36:32 PM

You’ve never seen an Avengers jet then.

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#75567: Oct 16th 2017 at 6:40:55 PM

Iron Fist, Episode Thirteen

Here we go. The big finale. Will Danny become the first recipient in history of a class-action restraining order? We'll find out today!

"The New York DEA has placed [Danny] at the top of their list of most wanted fugitives." Oh, hey, those were actual cops last episode. That means Danny's now guilty of a federal crime. Resisting arrest is always a crime, regardless of your level of innocence. The job of a police officer is to put you in custody so that the matter of your guilt or innocence can be worked out. Since presumption of innocence is at least in theory a thing in the American justice system, the expectation of an innocent party is to come in quietly and let the system find the truth.

Now, this doesn't always happen, but…how to put this delicately. Danny is a white guy. Statistically speaking, even in the 0.4% chance he'd actually be found guilty, he'd be given a slap on the wrist and fined $20 for his alleged drug smuggling. I'm exaggerating, of course, but the point is that Danny's not going to get much sympathy in court if he tries to argue that he was afraid that the system would be rigged against him while being a member of the only demographic against whom the system is rigged to favor.

There are a lot of people who can be considered justified in fearing for their lives when faced with a badge. White men aren't among them.

Harold Meachum's triumphant strut back into Rand Corporation is amazing. I know this is inevitably going to go south for him in the end because he's one of the show's villains, but he's such a stylish and entertaining character that I kinda don't want it to. If Harold went right up to the top floor and rubbed his balls on everything in Danny's office while Danny was taken away in handcuffs, I would consider that a satisfying ending.

"Danny made a poor decision when he attacked the DEA agents." I love you, Hogarth. Why can't you be the Iron Fist? Battling The Hand's drug operation with the might of cease-and-desist orders and petitioning for FDA inspection!

"You have been faking your death for all these years. That is fraud on the highest level." I love how even when she is shocked beyond the ability to form coherent thoughts, she still speaks entirely in lawyer. Instead of a "holy shit", she leaps immediately to the legal ramifications of Harold's survival.

"Heroin's a big money-maker, Ward. Not to mention the cure that your buddy Bakuto has. We'll get rich at both ends." Shit like this is why I love Harold. He is literally the only character in this entire show who looked at Gao's magic heroin and was like, "Wow, everybody who has ever been involved with this is a f*cking moron. Do you realize the potential this shit has? Anyone who'd be selling this in back alleys to junkies is too stupid to be running an operation with a product this amazing."

"You've been messing with Danny ever since he's been back, haven't you?" You knew this, Ward. You were the one who warned Danny to keep away from your dad because he's dangerous way back in that elevator just after he found out about Harold's survival. Not only is Ward out of nowhere suddenly concerned with Danny's safety for no reason, but he doesn't even remember shit he already knew. Ward's been murdered and replaced by a Skrull.

I'm gonna miss the guy. But they say on a dark night when someone in your city has died a violent death, you can still hear him screaming impotent rage into the stars.

I like how Colleen was concerned that Hogarth might be monitored by the DEA, so they sent Claire to go get her and bring her as well as any DEA agents watching her straight back to Danny. Like, that defeats the entire purpose of not just going there in person.

"Colleen, you are being charged with assault, obstructing justice, and abetting a fugitive so you have some problems of your own to focus on." ^.^ And those are all crimes regardless of whether or not Danny's actually a drug lord.

"Can you think of anyone who might have them?" "Yeah. The one person I trust even less than Harold." Man, Danny really has it in for Bakuto. For basically no reason.

"Hear anything?" "No. It's silent." I mean, they're ninjas, so there could be a dozen guards in that seemingly empty courtyard right now.

"We took out their leader. Maybe they ran?" Danny, you know The Hand resurrects people. You goddamn know this.

"Gao? They left you here? No food, no water?" Oh, he was talking about Gao as the person he trusts less than Harold. Okay, that makes more sense.

Also, I love that Danny thinks Gao needs food and water. She probably feeds on the despair of children or some shit.

As Danny and Colleen stroll into Gao's cell, I want so badly for Bakuto to jump in front of the door and be like, "PUNK'D" and then slam the cell shut on the three of them.

I love how Danny and Colleen came in here presumably to beat the shit out of Gao for information and then two sentences later, Danny is literally having a seat so that Gao can work her word magic on him. Oh, Danny. You always fail your Sense Motive checks.

"You think you're so clever with these little mind games." "That's the real reason you left K'un Lun, isn't it?" Master at work. Colleen tries to fire back at Gao and she is straight-up f*cking ignored. Nobody gives a shit what you think, Colleen. Gao doesn't and Danny certainly never has. You're basically just here to look pretty and make out with Danny.

"We're wasting our time here. …Danny!" "If what you're saying is true, then why haven't I killed you already?" That's another swing and a miss at being the voice of reason. Sorry, Colleen, but in order to be the voice of reason, you have to have a voice that someone present cares about listening to.

"I still remember the moment when he came to me and asked for poison. He seemed very enthused by the idea." I should probably be surprised by the reveal that Gao didn't kill Danny's parents but honestly, I'm just so relieved she didn't try to pin it on Bakuto. It would take so many stretches of logic to make it Bakuto's fault just to retroactively justify Danny's irrational grudge against him. Harold makes much more sense.

I really can't be surprised because it makes so much f*cking sense. Of course Harold had the Rands killed. It's the kind of guy he is. Two revivals may have made him a bit more unstable, but he was a manipulative bastard well before that. It's part of what makes him so interesting.

"Let's hope your minions find you before you rot." "There are no locks strong enough to imprison the truth." And once again, Gao effortlessly dismantles the Iron Fist. Best magic ninja. And also Colleen was nearby.

"He's been lying to me. Manipulating me." Hi, welcome to sixteen minutes ago, when the previous episode ended with him framing you for drug smuggling.

"Danny, I'm so sorry." I was going to give Colleen crap about how everything she's ever known and believed in just betrayed her and yet she's expected to provide sympathy to Danny 'cause his god-father was a bastard. But honestly, the half-assed way she said this made me feel better. Even Colleen can't believe she's supposed to give a shit about what Danny's going through right now.

"I used to think my mom was still alive." I'll be honest, I thought that too. I've totally been expecting her to show up as a magic ninja. I'm gonna be kinda disappointed if she never does, given the nature of how she died.

"You know you weren't given this gift so you could commit murder." Yes, he was. He was totally given this gift so he could commit murder. His role is to guard K'un Lun from those who might threaten it. He's not endowed with the power to punch steel doors off their hinges so that he could ask people politely to turn back. There is an expectation that when enemy forces arrive to threaten the heavenly city, Danny will f*cking kill them.

The power to inflict violence upon others exists to be used to inflict violence upon others. This is the nature of force, and the reason why most governments in the world reserve it to be used only by trained and licensed professionals. Danny is meant to kill in the name of K'un Lun. Davos is absolutely 100% correct about that.

The only part of this that is perverting the Iron Fist is that Danny intends to kill in the name of Danny Rand. It's not the act of killing but the fact that Danny's a garbage person that makes this bad.

"Which is why I have to kill Harold for you." "Jesus! Is there a version of this where we don't kill someone!" That's an excellent question. Let's ask Stick. Hey, Stick! Is there a way to deal with magic ninjas other than decapitation? No? Murdock's a naive fool and Nobu was only able to be resolved because he somehow managed to surround his innocent ideals with a protective layer of murderers? Sweet. Sorry, Claire, but it looks like the answer's no.

"I'm sorry about what happened." I don't think they make a Hallmark card for, "Sorry my attempted patricide resulted in you getting shot." This is a burned bridge, Ward.

"I'm gonna put an end to your father." They don't make a Hallmark card for that either, but fortunately for Danny, Ward doesn't need one.

"I know how much Danny means to you so I withheld certain documents." I know it's time for Harold to be brought down, narratively speaking, but I feel like he really bombed his persuasion check here. He's usually better at this.

Then again, this is Joy he's talking to. "Don't worry about it; the men are dealing with business," has pretty much been how everyone in this cast treats her.

And then Joy left because all of the men in her life f*cking suck. Doesn't actually lift a finger to fix anything; just accepts her lack of agency and strolls out. I hope this isn't the last we see of her, because I'm going to be very disappointed if that's seriously the punctuation mark at the end of her story.

"Dad has his own armed guards upstairs. Unless you're bulletproof, we have to wait—HOOF!!!" Harold basically teleported for the sake of this shocker. Unless the office walls are paper-thin, there's no way he heard Ward having this conversation, especially in the time-frame alloted.

"We can't wait for the police!" "Let's not pretend that you care about Ward." Thank you!

"The only thing I'm selling is peanuts." You know that guy is going to call the police as soon as Claire tells him to flee. This is New York City post-9/11 and a brown-skinned person just lit two tanks of kerosene on fire. FOX News is going to be calling this a terrorist attack by midnight.

"Stop right there, ma'am!" Claire is fortunate enough to have gotten two of the nicest private security guards in New York. A lot of people would have shot her by now. "Was it really necessary to empty three clips into the suspect?" "Well, she's black, so I was afraid for my life." "Fair enough. I see no wrongdoing here."

No, show. Colleen just ran up like fifty flights of stairs. She's not calmly, stealthily sneaking in the side door. She's going to be gasping for air in the stairwell for the next fifteen minutes.

…so, that shockwave punch totally should have collapsed the floor under everyone.

"It's alright. I got it." What, all the glass was shattered by the impact but the table is perfectly fine? You know how fragile those things are?

[lol] Danny managed to get the drop on Harold, face-kicked him to the ground, and then wussed out and ran away like an idiot! That is quite possibly the stupidest thing he has done in a long line of stupid things. [lol] We are now at Horror Movie level protagonist stupidity. "AN OPPORTUNITY! I MUST WASTE THIS!!!"

And now they're swordfighting with big metal bars and Harold's got him on the ropes. Man, I love how getting shot in the hand not only robbed Danny of the Iron Fist but also all of his kung fu knowledge. The hand is where fifteen years of practice and training are stored.

And then Danny, like Murdock, was spared from actually having to bloody his hands by the convenient presence of a willing murderer in his supporting cast. Eeyup. Netflix heroes are really good at keeping their hands clean by having friends who can do the dirty work for them. Except Jessica. She'll f*cking kill an asshole.

"Despite everything, this is still my father's body." I assume we're having it cremated so that he doesn't pop back to life again, right? I mean, a fall from that height should by all rights have popped his head open like a cantaloupe, but it's not like the show's ever actually cared about the logistics of the climb before.

"Oh, you know me. I always enjoy a good cremation." Oh, good, we are. So let's got on with it, shall we? Every moment y'all gab is another moment Harold might spring up. And then Danny will get cold feet and be like, "No, Ward, you can't do this! That is a man alive in there!" and then Ward will have to be like, "F*ck you," and throw the switch.

"In light of the fact that you were set up and are going to be making a generous contribution to the DEA's Widows and Children Fund, they are dropping all the charges." Ooh, Danny bribed his way out of prosecution. What a fitting resolution for his character. He came in a criminal and now, at the end of his journey, he can at last call himself a white-collar criminal. He's moving up in the world.

"Now what?" Now you f*cking go back to K'un Lun like you're supposed to.

"You should come back to Rand. We can run the company together." Why would Ward ever suggest this? The fact that his dad is a shit doesn't change the fact that Danny was the worst thing that ever happened to Rand.

"I'm not really a good businessman." For that exact reason, in fact. It's nice to know that Danny's conclusion from all of this is that he should totally continue shirking all of his responsibilities.

I like that Ward's actually watching through the visor. Like, he knows as well as I do that Harold's totally going to revive any second now. He wants to see this happen.

Aww, cut away. I was really hoping for, like, Harold's hand to come bursting out of the coffin only to catch fire. One last-ditch, doomed effort at survival.

"I've been giving it a lot of thought and I think I'm going to go back to K'un Lun." Oh! Goody!

"I need to explain to Lei-Kung why I left." …well, yes, that too, but you also need to stay there and fulfill your duty. You have responsibilities, Danny. Everyone in K'un Lun could be dying right now for your selfishness. This should by all rights be the last time any of these people ever see you.

"I also need to complete my training." And you need to guard the pass. He's really glossing over the important part here.

"I keep thinking that maybe I could be something else. A light for those trapped in the darkness." Pfft. Danny, you actively make things darker around you with every breath. You made one halfway decent choice not to kill a man after impaling him on a metal rod. This does not make you Saint Rand, Champion of the Downtrodden. You're a violent lunatic, a criminal, and entirely self-involved. You are not the hero here. You're basically a supervillain.

"Well, I was kinda hoping that you'd come with me." I'd like to see that conversation with Lei-Kung the Thunderer. "Master, I know that I have utterly failed in my task to prevent The Hand from infiltrating this place, but I want you to know that I've returned in the hopes that you might help give me a few pointers before I abandon you all forever again. I have brought with me an agent of The Hand, who I intend to have stay and learn the secrets of K'un Lun with me."

D'aww, Ward took down his father's portrait and now it's Ward and Danny hanging in the hall, signalling that there is always a home here for Danny. It's so sweet. We're totally supposed to love Ward for this generous act and forget that he is absolutely his father's son and has done many dubious things himself over the course of this series, up to and including trying to have Danny killed.

I mean, even Harold only resorted to lethal violence towards Danny in his defense; his A-Plan was to have Danny arrested and sent to jail for drug smuggling. Ward straight-up tried to have him beaten to death just to spite his dad. Harold will have you killed to advance his agenda, but Ward will do it on an emotional whim.

And now Joy and Davos somehow met each other? What the hell am I seeing here?

And she's plotting to kill Danny in order to return to her own life even though she can literally just go back there. And Davos is as well. And also Madame Gao is there? What the f*ck is this? Did they all just meet up in the cast break room and plot a coup against the directors? This isn't suspenseful or intriguing like the musical cue wants it to be; it's just dumb.

"We should get there just in time for afternoon kung fu practice. You're gonna love it." The path is closed, isn't it? They're going to get there and it's already closed, preventing Danny from returning.

"What is it?" "It's blood." Oh, that's much worse. Danny's selfishness actually got everyone killed. Wow, stealing their greatest line of defense and then fleeing like a thief in the knight actually had tangible, horrifying consequences. Danny Mighty Whitey'd so hard that he destroyed the Asian culture he mastered.

And also the pass is closed! Hooray!

"I should have been here. It's all my fault." This is 100% true. Nice of you to catch up to the rest of us, Danny.

And that was the end of Danny Rand's quest to be the most selfish bastard in New York. Man, am I relieved to be done with that show. I eagerly look forward to the return of protagonists I actually like in Defenders.

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#75568: Oct 16th 2017 at 6:50:20 PM

Sorry for the double post but I wanted to note about the music discussion that I did find the lyrics a little jarring. I thought the song was pretty kick-ass and added a lot of punch to the trailer, but "The Revolution will not be televised" is a weird set of lyrics to punctuate the story of a king claiming the throne of his birthright and defending his legitimate authority from radicals who would overthrow it.

But I can understand. I don't think there's a lot of rap music about commanding law and order in one's nation as the dominant authority. It is by nature a genre of rebellion, created by a people who are marginalized and oppressed.

edited 16th Oct '17 6:51:15 PM by TobiasDrake

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#75569: Oct 16th 2017 at 6:56:22 PM

For a very long time in the comics Quinjets could not go into space.

The Avengers needed to borrow spaceships to have space adventures and would sometimes forget to return them.

Also jets need air to function?

Additional also: did anything in the MCU up until Age of Ultron indicate that Quinjets doubled as spaceships?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#75570: Oct 16th 2017 at 7:01:10 PM

The argument that Thor Ragnarok shouldn't have used the Led Zeppelin song is a little bit strange....I mean, it is no Wardruna but the Immigrant Song was specifically inspired by Norse mythology. And it was a really got fit for the images and the themes of the movie.

And Heavy Metal is a good fit for Iron Man, too...not just for the fun, it also fits Tony's personality.

I simply don't see how this song fit Black Panther. I also honestly don't see the significance of the director being African American because he certainly didn't put the trailer together, we all know that this is done by trailer companies. And if I had seen something I could associate in any way with the music they picked I wouldn't complain about it, but it feels really jarring and out of place. It's as if someone put the soundtrack for Oliver and Co on The Lion King.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#75571: Oct 16th 2017 at 7:02:36 PM

MCU...I don't think so.

But comic quinjets have been spaceworthy for a while.

As for the Black Panther trailer song....what might be throwing people is the combination of two songs, Vince Staple's Bag Bak and Gil Scott Heron's The Revolution Will Not Be Televised. One of which is sort of electro/hip hop and the other is more traditional spoken word/funk. Which fits with the whole idea of Wakanda being a futuristic country with deep historic roots.

Its less about a revolution in the sense of governmental change and more about societal change, which is what this movie is going for with Wakanda, as T'Challa is leading them in a new direction.

edited 16th Oct '17 7:07:43 PM by ArthurEld

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#75572: Oct 16th 2017 at 7:06:03 PM

The argument that Thor Ragnarok shouldn't have used the Led Zeppelin song is a little bit strange.

That's because it was sarcasm.

[up]I could definitely see them being spaceworthy. Tony was awful paranoid about aliens coming back, after all.

[up][up][up]No. But the Quinjets seen prior to Age of Ultron in The Avengers, Winter Soldier and Agents of SHIELD were the SHIELD model. The one they're using by the start of Age of Ultron seems way more advanced.

edited 16th Oct '17 7:08:19 PM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#75573: Oct 16th 2017 at 7:19:15 PM

So...Iron Fist....

As I said before, I am reserving judgement on Joy...if she is now the villain of season 2, I will be really, really angry, because her turning against Danny is nonsense at this point. But if it turns out that she is "listening" because she plans to infiltrate the Hand, continuing what she started, this will be brilliant. Remember, she didn't really like being the leader of a company, but she did it because it was expected of her, even though she felt pride for what she managed to achieve. At the same time, she really delighted in tracking down the operations of the Hand. I can totally see her doing it in order to have control of her own destiny in the future, reclaiming the agency which was constantly denied to her.

Otherwise. I kind of like Iron Fist. The show is wonky and really, really needed better editing, but overall I like that all the characters in it are flawed and we are supposed to see their flaws. Danny being irresponsible would be a problem if the show would expect me to overlook it, but instead it wants to create an arc in which Danny keeps making mistakes and learns from them. And on the positive side, I think the show deserved some credit for laying down at least a few ground rules regarding the Hand.

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#75574: Oct 16th 2017 at 7:24:26 PM

But if it turns out that she is "listening" because she plans to infiltrate the Hand, continuing what she started, this will be brilliant.

I'd still call that pretty bullshitty. She made clear when she walked away that she wanted nothing more to do with any of this. She was only ever against The Hand for her dad's benefit. It was a personal stake, not a general sense of altruism, that led her to mess with Bakuto's money. She has no motivation to pursue some quest to defeat The Hand.

Also, what the hell is Davos doing there? Because he, of all people, has absolutely no motivation to ever be involved with The Hand.

I feel like this scene was created to be a shocking twist first and foremost, with no regard to whether or not it made sense for anyone involved in it.

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#75575: Oct 16th 2017 at 7:26:23 PM

You know in the comics that Davos is Steel Serpent, right?

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