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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#75526: Oct 16th 2017 at 12:58:02 PM

I was thinking that the trailer looks fine, but between it, Ragnarok and GOTG, Marvel has kind of doubled-down on movies featuring otherworldly characters and futuristic cities with flying vehicles.

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#75527: Oct 16th 2017 at 1:00:25 PM

I was just thinking that. It's feeling a little samey.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#75528: Oct 16th 2017 at 1:04:17 PM

So a Panther suit and a Leopard suit...

...I guess that makes sense.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#75529: Oct 16th 2017 at 1:19:37 PM

"Oh no, a movie directed by African-Americans, starring African-Americans, and marketed to African-American audiences, has African-American made music in its trailer. Man, I’ve never seen such an ill fitting use of rap in a trailer. "

with is about african chararters in african places, so let go with african american since is the same? also that is the same excuse some said to use white only cast member in anime adaptation.

"Hmm, no uproar about any of that... "

.....Really? we are going to do this?, ughhh.

[up][up]Yeah....is weird.....

[up]Yeah, now it make sense.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#75530: Oct 16th 2017 at 1:27:59 PM

Them speaking in English with local accents isn't that weird considering India is the same way, but it's true that it's a bit odd since India's is the result of British colonialism and Wakanda is not. On the other hand it's possible to Fan Wank it as T'Chaka having pushed for education reforms to include learning the lingua franca English as preparation for the country to breach its isolationism even before the events of Civil War.

The official poster reeks of bad Photoshop, but at least the background is pretty, and their placements are less obtuse than Spider-Man Homecoming's or Age of Ultron's.

Regarding the trailer, I agree that the music is a little jarring, but it's not a bad song so I'm not too bothered by it. I can't tell if they've fixed the value issues in monochrome but otherwise the cinematography and use of color looks gorgeous, if nothing else it will be a beautiful movie to look at.

edited 16th Oct '17 1:35:30 PM by AlleyOop

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#75531: Oct 16th 2017 at 1:29:41 PM

with is about african chararters in african places, so let go with african american since is the same? also that is the same excuse some said to use white only cast member in anime adaptation.

You're really reaching now.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#75532: Oct 16th 2017 at 1:31:18 PM

To clarify, the general argument wasn’t that the trailers shouldn’t have rap music, but that the specific rap song used in this trailer wasn’t thematically appropriate.

However, I do agree that the defense of “there are black people in this movie, so of course they should throw a rap song in. That’s black music, right?” is rather patronizing. It’s like expecting Iron Man to be associated with country music.

Or to be more on the nose, I guess, assuming that just because Iron Man is associated with rock and metal music, that means any rock or metal song is equally fitting for the character.

edited 16th Oct '17 1:36:22 PM by KnownUnknown

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#75533: Oct 16th 2017 at 1:32:51 PM

[up][up][up]I like the poster actually, everything feel it fit as one rather than other posters.

edited 16th Oct '17 1:33:13 PM by unknowing

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#75534: Oct 16th 2017 at 1:37:42 PM

However, I do agree that the defense of “there are black people in this movie, so of course they should throw a rap song in. That’s black music, right?” is rather patronizing. It’s like expecting Iron Man to be associated with country music.
Again at that point I feel we're just getting into Mexicans Love Speedy Gonzales territory if we're gonna start going that route. I'm black. I love Run the Jewels. Almost every black person I knew who saw the first trailer thought the track was fucking awesome.

You can say it's a stereotype to associate black people with rap music but it's a stereotype that exists for a reason. We invented it.

I mean you have the beautiful shot with all the stars in the background and this gorgeous landscape and they put music over it I associate with an urban setting and run-down neighbourhoods.

I'm not even gonna touch on this other than to say yikes.

edited 16th Oct '17 1:38:41 PM by comicwriter

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#75535: Oct 16th 2017 at 1:52:14 PM

" I'm black. I love Run the Jewels. Almost every black person I knew who saw the first trailer thought the track was fucking awesome. You can say it's a stereotype to associate black people with rap music but it's a stereotype that exists for a reason. We invented it."

Im latino and I love Diablo from Suicide squad even when he was a goddamn steriotype and because there a huge amount of asian people who do kung fu dosent mean is nto the steriotype.

And is not bad, just like other said it sound kinda out place.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#75536: Oct 16th 2017 at 1:53:00 PM

We invented jazz music too, but I'm not about to suggest Cab Calloway as the theme to Panther's next trailer. Leon Thomas, maybe.

But more to the point, the Mexicans Love Speedy Gonzales thing is only really applicable if the argument is that rap music as a whole is unacceptable, which - as I literally just pointed out - it isn't.

Although part of the reaction is also that they're associating an stereotypically African American style to African characters, and that could have easily been avoided by simply choosing an rapper with more African roots to their style (and perhaps sampling a song that doesn't literally condemn the thing they're advertising).

edited 16th Oct '17 2:01:01 PM by KnownUnknown

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#75537: Oct 16th 2017 at 1:55:36 PM

This is a silly argument to have.

edited 16th Oct '17 1:57:31 PM by VeryMelon

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#75538: Oct 16th 2017 at 1:55:48 PM

This is a silly argument to have.

edited 16th Oct '17 1:57:31 PM by VeryMelon

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#75539: Oct 16th 2017 at 1:56:16 PM

[up][up] This is a nerd forum full of nerds. It's what we do.

edited 16th Oct '17 1:57:00 PM by KnownUnknown

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#75540: Oct 16th 2017 at 1:58:23 PM

This is a silly argument to have,

Indeed. Especially when I'm more offended by Thor: Ragnarok using a 70's American rock song and not an ancient viking sea chanty. Or Björk.

edited 16th Oct '17 1:58:56 PM by comicwriter

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#75541: Oct 16th 2017 at 1:59:43 PM

Ah, don't get me started on that. Thor's soundtracks have always been rather hit or miss, especially given the amount of potential in the source material.

Also, they've never released a Thor movie on a Thursday, and that's always disappointed me.

edited 16th Oct '17 2:02:48 PM by KnownUnknown

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#75542: Oct 16th 2017 at 2:00:07 PM

Am I making this up or am I remembering correctly that Killmonger is supposed to be a "Golden" Panther (as opposed to a Leopard)?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#75543: Oct 16th 2017 at 2:02:03 PM

edited 16th Oct '17 2:02:35 PM by KnownUnknown

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#75544: Oct 16th 2017 at 2:02:06 PM

Led Zeppelin are British, though.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#75545: Oct 16th 2017 at 2:03:09 PM

"This is a silly argument to have. "

good thing this is tv tropes, the forum of serious discussionstongue

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#75547: Oct 16th 2017 at 2:10:10 PM

Am I making this up or am I remembering correctly that Killmonger is supposed to be a "Golden" Panther (as opposed to a Leopard)?

Is a golden panther even a thing?

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#75548: Oct 16th 2017 at 2:14:02 PM

Google says not really no

They are however,the mascot of a sports team

edited 16th Oct '17 2:15:05 PM by Ultimatum

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#75549: Oct 16th 2017 at 2:15:10 PM

Man that trailer was lit. [tup]

So hyped for this movie. grin

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#75550: Oct 16th 2017 at 2:17:27 PM

[up]Me too, is the first time in a lot of time that I really want to see a marvel movie.

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