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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#75501: Oct 16th 2017 at 7:27:31 AM

Man, those bumps on Kilmonger's body make my skin itch a little. Those kinds of body mods always get to me for some reason.

But this is a good trailer.

edited 16th Oct '17 7:28:19 AM by edvedd

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#75502: Oct 16th 2017 at 7:54:43 AM

It might be like South Africa, where English is one of the major languages.

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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#75504: Oct 16th 2017 at 8:01:18 AM

[up][up] Wakanda is supposed to be isolationist and extremely proud of its own culture, why would English be a major language ? Everywhere that happens in real life it's because of colonialism and centuries of the English speaking world being the global haegemon

edited 16th Oct '17 8:03:39 AM by thatindiantroper

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#75505: Oct 16th 2017 at 8:25:28 AM

Wakanda also inexplicably speaks Xhosa, a language that's from a whole other part of Africa. It's possible Wakanda's history is more convoluted than it seems.

Or given how advanced it is, it's possible their education system teaches its students most major world languages simultaneously, thus the use of English.

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Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#75506: Oct 16th 2017 at 8:26:48 AM

I'm worried about how little Black Panther speaks in his own trailer.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#75507: Oct 16th 2017 at 8:46:51 AM

Gotta make some room for MBJ to chew the scenery.

And it looks like unfortunately Sif won't be in Ragnarok after all. Which is strange since a talk show recently listed her as being in the movie and the actor implied they were gonna be it in the past. I wonder if it's a Deleted Role.

edited 16th Oct '17 9:01:12 AM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#75508: Oct 16th 2017 at 9:25:48 AM

Honestly...I hate the trailer. Not because of the scenes and the visuals shown, they are great. But the music they picked is incredible distracting and doesn't really fit what is shown. Plus, why the hell do they feel the need to put this kind of music on everything in which the cast happens to be black? Why not adding something more African? It is not like there aren't African or at least Africa-inspired musicians.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#75509: Oct 16th 2017 at 9:31:06 AM

Well, there's always someone, I guess.

edited 16th Oct '17 9:31:23 AM by comicwriter

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#75510: Oct 16th 2017 at 9:38:46 AM

[up][up] That's ... actually not a bad point. Huh, normally I never find myself agreeing with you.

thus the use of English.

Yes but why would they speak it amongst themselves ?

edited 16th Oct '17 9:39:42 AM by thatindiantroper

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#75511: Oct 16th 2017 at 9:52:19 AM

[up] twice in a month! We have a run!

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#75512: Oct 16th 2017 at 10:59:26 AM

[up][up] Because a movie that's 3/4ths in subtitles isn't conducive to the interests of the average consumer.

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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#75513: Oct 16th 2017 at 11:00:30 AM

Well yeah I obviously get why out universe, I'm just saying it takes me out of it a little.

[up][up] What was the first time ?

edited 16th Oct '17 11:00:44 AM by thatindiantroper

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#75514: Oct 16th 2017 at 11:01:27 AM

Look, all you need to know is that if it's two Wakandans talking in Wakanda, they're speaking... Wakandese?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#75515: Oct 16th 2017 at 11:01:32 AM

But the music they picked is incredible distracting and doesn't really fit what is shown. Plus, why the hell do they feel the need to put this kind of music on everything in which the cast happens to be black? Why not adding something more African?

Awesome though it was to hear Gil Scott Heron in a trailer, the use of “The Revolution Will Not Be Televised” was pretty funny - given that the entire point of that song is “don’t waste your time watching movies, tv shows or letting yourself be led by pop culture.”

On the whole it struck me as the marketers wanting to find something that sounded archetypically “black” than something that really fit. IIRC, the last trailer threw in a rap number that didn’t really fit either.

Odder still, if they wanted to use more thematic raps - even ones from African sources - there are tons to choose from.

edited 16th Oct '17 11:05:14 AM by KnownUnknown

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#75517: Oct 16th 2017 at 11:07:18 AM

trailer

  • I guess I'm not the only one a little bothered by the choice of music.
  • The white characters are minimized in the poster. :p That's rare to see.
  • I'm not too enthused with the villain being an "evil counterpart/wearing an evil version of the Black Panther suit." But I also never read Black Panther so I don't really know who Evil Black Panther is, or who his villains are. A friend happened to mention to me that they were setting up Klaww in Age of Ultron for him to come back in Black Panther.
  • Alright I know T'Challa with the Panther suit is like Cap, Bucky, and Iron Man combined, but seeing him leap out of a plane like that... I mean we saw him doing the same jumps/sprints as Steve, but even Steve winced after he had to jump out of that elevator. Panther just looks like he's about to kick someone's ass.
  • T'Challa's final statement about whatever's going on in Wakanda will affect the rest of the world... does this movie take place after he takes Steve and Bucky in, or before?

edited 16th Oct '17 11:21:39 AM by Soble

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#75518: Oct 16th 2017 at 11:14:05 AM

Honestly the debate about it being inappropriate to have rap music in the trailer is just reminding me of Mexicans Love Speedy Gonzales.

Like I appreciate people's potential concern I guess but it's a bit of a reach.

edited 16th Oct '17 11:14:12 AM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#75519: Oct 16th 2017 at 11:17:59 AM

@Theindiantroper I honestly can't remember, but I think it was about something political.....

edited 16th Oct '17 11:18:14 AM by Swanpride

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#75520: Oct 16th 2017 at 11:20:53 AM

Oh I mean not worried about it offending anybody, I just think it's out of place.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
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#75523: Oct 16th 2017 at 11:47:41 AM

"why the hell do they feel the need to put this kind of music on everything in which the cast happens to be black? "

Yeah, im agreeing with swan here....ok, this day is getting weirder.

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#75524: Oct 16th 2017 at 12:51:25 PM

Oh no, a movie directed by African-Americans, starring African-Americans, and marketed to African-American audiences, has African-American made music in its trailer. Man, I’ve never seen such an ill fitting use of rap in a trailer.

*watches Charlize Theron punch out bad guys to ‘Black Skinhead’ in the Atomic Blonde trailer*

Hmm, no uproar about any of that...

edited 16th Oct '17 12:51:53 PM by Tuckerscreator

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#75525: Oct 16th 2017 at 12:51:30 PM

I didn't say that it is offensive, I said that it is out of place. I mean you have the beautiful shot with all the stars in the background and this gorgeous landscape and they put music over it I associate with an urban setting and run-down neighbourhoods. It is just grating and the only reason I can think of for this choice is "oh, there are black people in it". Which is too short sighted...it's like advertising a show set in Berlin and putting Bavarian Folkmusic on it because both is German.

Anyway, Killmonger being a leopard makes sense because a panther is a special kind of leopard. There is the potential for symbolism in this.

edited 16th Oct '17 12:54:42 PM by Swanpride


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