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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
It's the first step in Marvel's heroic origin. After they are wounded by one of their own weapons, they will be forced to rethink their war profiteering and become the true hero they were meant to be.
It's Marvel's Start of Darkness
they'll be redeemed in the third film
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverhttps://twitter.com/gerryconway/status/916371266424246272
Fuck, even the co-creator of the Punisher is pissed about this.
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?There is no way the bigwigs of Disney knew about this. Disney is WAY too careful to tarnish its image with something like this. Hell, Disney has kept the President's Hall "under construction" since Trump got elected and they have a strict no-smoking policy for their movies.
Until we know more, I blame Perlmutter. Because bad decisions at Marvel can usually be traced back to Perlmutter.
Just this morning, we were talking about the Hulk and Hawkeye banging each other with Odin looking in concern, Loki selling tickets or snacks, Hella really loving the free yaoi she's getting, and Doctor Strange using magic to livestream it.
edited 6th Oct '17 3:09:51 PM by fredhot16
Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.Speaking of foreign posters, never forget this gem.
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edited 6th Oct '17 3:17:22 PM by LordVatek
This song needs more love.
Oh, sweet lord.
I literally laughed when I saw that.
I believe somebody was either a pretty big fan of Titanic or they got their information really wrong about what type of movie this is supposed to be.
edited 6th Oct '17 3:19:18 PM by fredhot16
Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.I didn't read Captain HYDRA, but didn't that actually end up interesting? They used the controversy to stir up word of mouth, but the rest of the series was supposed to be good.
Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.So now I've finished DD season 2.
I don't think what I was told about the show getting bad after 4 episodes was entirely accurate. Rather I would say there were seeds planted after that and a very slow decline, and then the season jumps the shark at episode 8 and never recovers.
It feels like the main problem with this season is they had two big storyline ideas (the Punisher story, and the plot with Elektra and the Hand) and they felt like neither of them would have been enough to make a full season's worth of story so they just combined the two.
This ended up being a terrible idea, obviously.
The Frank Castle storyline I think didn't suffer that much. Maybe it could have been even better if it had been the sole focus, but Castle himself was still very compelling and it was very easy to be invested in his storyline all the way to the end, because he's so tragic and Joe Bernthal plays the hell out of the role. It reaches a satisfying conclusion with the twist about Schoonover being the blacksmith and Frank giving himself fully to his mission; with Schoonover's arsenal and the skull emblem bodysuit he's recognizably the Punisher.
Meanwhile, the Matt and Elektra storyline that starts with episode 5 is not nearly as interesting as the stuff with Castle, but it's not all bad either. Elektra is a compelling enough character and her romance with Matt is a lot more interesting than his relationship with Karen. Towards around episode 7 I think there starts to be some ambiguity presented in Elektra's character that makes it ambiguous whether she thinks Matt is just a toy for her to play with or whether she actually cares about him, which I liked a lot and made me get more invested in where things were gonna go.
...but then, the Hand rears its ugly head in episode 8 and everything turns to shit.
The Hand suck. Not only because they are a racist Yellow Peril stereotype, but because they are boring. In fact the fact that they are a yellow peril threat is directly tied into what makes them boring. The show goes through great lengths to humanize and portray the white villains and criminals as people. Fisk, Wesley, Castle, Wesley, and to a lesser degree even Vladimir and Anatoly in season 1 are portrayed as sympathetic, complex characters with a core of humanity and tragedy, making them people the audience can be invested in emotionally.
They didn't seem to care about doing any of that with the Hand. They almost seem to treat it as an obligation to have them because they were from the comics, without putting any actual effort into making them worthwhile villains. Their plotline is completely underdeveloped and they don't have any complex villains with pathos for the audience to be invested in.
They could have easily had that with Nobu, but it feels like they just blew their load on the Castle plotline and left the Hand with absolutely nothing worth caring about. In fact so undercooked was this whole plotline that it borders on the absurd; Stick just shows up in episode 8 and talks about this whole mystical backstory with no real build-up or anything and it feels completely at odds with everything else that's been going on. It's ridiculous how rushed it is and how much the audience is supposed to swallow without being given a good reason to.
Part of the reason why episode 8 is the big turning point is also because it kind of ruins Elektra's character. Before episode 8, she was a character with a compelling ambiguity to her and her own motivations for being who she is and what she does, which aren't fully known yet, and that was part of what made her interesting.
Having basically everything she'd been doing a ploy by Stick completely undermines all of that and turns her into a much less interesting character. She still has a lot of good scenes with Matt afterwards showing how much he loves her and how important she is to him, but the decision to compromise her agency in the story in service of having her whole character revolve around Matt and Stick was very much the wrong decision.
What they should have done instead was make a commitment: either the season was going to be about the story with Frank Castle, or it was going to be about the Hand. And if it was going to be about the Hand, they needed to have actual complex characters the audience could care about, instead of the faceless, dehumanizing and racist cult they ended up writing.
....so now I just have Iron Fist before I can get to Defenders. I'll probably start that tomorrow.
edited 6th Oct '17 5:34:42 PM by Draghinazzo
I had that same opinion when I finished the season, and I still have it today,
I think the idea was to have three pods— the Punisher, Elektra, and then both. But because the Punisher's story is so strong and never quite goes away, it overwhelms anything else, and Elektra gets increasingly sidelined by the Hand— which ends up being this big, weird amorphous nothing, because they fill up all this screen real estate and we don't know anything about them. Having Elektra have some sort of background with Nobu, having the important figure in Elektra's background be the Natchios family rather than Stick, that would have all been more interesting than relegating even her joy in killing to a subordinate role in Stick's master plan. Make it about her, as with the Punisher and Fisk. Have Nobu show up in her childhood, the same age as he is now. Have him mentor her, before the Chaste show up and interfere, and for god's sake give the man some dialogue. And don't kill him off before you've even given him something to do. Still disappointed that Defenders didn't reveal that he was one of the Five Fingers of the Hand.
edited 6th Oct '17 7:43:26 PM by Unsung
I don't mind that they did two stories, but I think they did too much of them....ie the Punisher arc became way too convoluted in the end. And I really don't see why Elektra had to die at her first appearance. Well, I know why they did it, because the second half of Daredevil is only a giant set-up for the Defenders and the Punisher spin-off and the third season of Daredevil, but it feels like exactly that. And it doesn't help that they apparently didn't even know what to set-up exactly.
