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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Except that Ao S was renewed alongside all the other ABC shows, there was no "late renewal". I therefore went back to the source which is quoted, which is a Variety article about the ABC struggling since it keeps loosing its audience and Disney might restructure soon. It is also discussing Inhumans (apparently the ABC had concerns about—-more or less everything and Marvel didn't really listen or didn't listen in time) and mentions in a side sentences that some people in the Network were considering cancelling Ao S too, and Disney pushed them for renewal. This isn't quite the same thing as Disney forcing ABC to keep the show. At the end of the day Ao S does still better than a number of ABC shows, even at the terrible time slot they had last season.
It is good to know though that the ones with the money are backing Ao S.
A wild Hogun appears
◊. Methinks things won't end well for the Warriors 3.
The actors capture the characters pretty well. However, I'm concerned by this part of Gert's description:
Yeah. That doesn't sound great. As it is, I had some issues with what I perceived as some Unfortunate Implications of the first arc of the comic in that Karolina's friendly, liberal parents turn out to be the evilest and besides the fact that the most heroic of the Pride is Chase's abusive father, there's also a certain amount of sympathy toward Gertrude's parents who are supposedly reactionary/conservative. IIRC that only comes up in one line from her and so I'm iffy on the idea of framing her as a Strawman Political Soapbox Sadie, since she isn't in the comic.
Note- I realize that it's not fair to equate conservative with child (and ''possibly' spouse) beater, but IIRC there was this iffy element of the sympathy toward and redeeming qualities of the Pride being inversely proportional to how they treated their kids (at least on the surface).
Edit- Something interesting. Because of his hints of an Inferiority Superiority Complex and domestic violence, and to some extent his appearance, I had gotten this sense that Victor Stein was supposed to be an evil version of Hank Pym. Yeah, I know the domestic abuser thing is unfair for Hank Pym, but it's also what he's most known for. Well, looking at the character page, I was reminded that his wife is named Janet and she uses weaponry, including gauntlets, which her husband designed. So yeah, I'm thinking there's something to that "Evil Hank Pym" idea.
edited 28th Sep '17 12:05:45 PM by Hodor2
At best, it can be a nuanced look at the complexity of personal identity as in Samantha's arc in Dear White People.
At worst, it can be a poor attempt at being "contemporary" while tuning out marginalized groups' grievances (a good amount of them directed at Marvel...)
edited 28th Sep '17 12:48:56 PM by Tuckerscreator
Yeah, Marvel's history with social justice has been...unimpressive is a polite term. The suggestion that Gert's character flaw is being disingenuously interested in social justice - effectively casting her as exactly what people claim when they say someone's a Social Justice Warrior - is not a good sign.
edited 28th Sep '17 1:54:49 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Well, they did pretty will in Jessica Jones, but a number of good points in Luke Cage and Ao S even managed to get in some dig concerning current political matters. So, no reason to jump the gun on this one.
I'm wondering how or even if they're going to handle the Pride's benefactors. In the comic, the six families were selected by the Gibborim, these magical godlike beings to be the sole survivors after they use their magic to abruptly end the world. The idea was that with a burst of their godlike power, all humanity would be exterminated overnight, and six of the twelve Pride members would be selected to move on and rule over the paradise that would replace the Earth we know.
Much of the plot revolves around this notion of who will inherit the new world once the Gibborim bring an end to the Earth. It's not really something the story can work without, but it's such an inherently magical concept, and Marvel's been pretty reticent about that kind of thing.
Plus, this not being the comics world where the world is threatened every Tuesday afternoon, the idea that there's this powerful magical force operating on Earth that could just end the world one day and nobody's ever noticed is a bit awkward, especially when we just established that Doctor Strange exists and belongs to an organization for which preventing this exact, specific thing is their entire purpose.
It's like having an evil corporation in your show that's mass-producing knock-off Iron Man suits and selling them to various foreign countries, and just being like, "What, Tony? Nah, he doesn't care."
edited 28th Sep '17 4:24:48 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I suppose the casting call could mean that Gert throws herself into activism as a means of avoiding her issues at home, but they could've phrased that better. Maybe it's just an issue where the person who wrote the description is just out of touch and doesn't get why people are so down on social justice as a term. Which isn't promising either, but better than the alternative, I suppose. In the comic she is a bit more politically aware and openly rebellious than the other kids.
I don't think Victor Stein is meant to be heroically conservative, but rather for someone who's supposedly so smart, he's also the most ignorant member of the Pride, and that's the irony. Brian K Vaughan likes messing with people's expectations, which is also the explanation for why the 'Limousine Liberal' Deans, along with the Hayes, end up being the Pride's absolute worst, most treacherous, murderous members. I imagine it's so that in rebelling against their parents, the kids are unequivocally doing the right thing.
'Gibborim' is a Hebrew word which was used to refer to the Biblical Nephilim. It means 'mightiest', and the Nephilim were giants or fallen angels. If they aren't replaced outright by something else, they'll probably get a less ridiculous redesign than their appearance in the comics, maybe just your typical regular-sized humans in makeup standing in the shadows. Which would be a shame. Their being ridiculous is part of what I always liked about those cast pictures on the covers of the collected hardcovers.
edited 2nd Oct '17 3:52:23 AM by Unsung
So, when you said "ridiculous", having not read Runaways up to the point they show up, I got the impression that they were these really crazy angel-looking things.
Not...Neopet bad guys
◊ (closest thing I could think of, though I'm not at all familiar with Neopets).
Of course, then I realized just how big they are...
Oh God! Natural light!I'm not concerned with how they look. It's their narrative role that I'm worried about. Magic god-beings existing on Earth capable of exterminating all humanity just doesn't feel like it gels with the MCU's setting. I'm all but positive they're going to be toned down in scale and scope, even if they still look like Neopets.
edited 28th Sep '17 5:19:12 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.If they do away with the Gibborim, they'll probably do away with Karolina's family being aliens too. I wouldn't expect time travel either.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Between the Chitauri, Kree, Asgardians, Dark Elves, forthcoming Skrulls, and the success of Guardians of the Galaxy, I'm not too worried about the Deans not being aliens. They better not drop time travel, though. It can be restricted, the Yorkes were stranded, as I recall, but it has to be in there.

http://www.cbr.com/disney-wouldnt-let-abc-cancel-agents-of-shield
ABC wanted to cancel Agents of SHIELD after season 4, Disney didn't let them.